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CCP Response Regarding SOMER Blink Concerns

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Hendrick Tallardar
Doomheim
#601 - 2014-08-21 17:34:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Hendrick Tallardar
Mark Munoz wrote:
I think the key difference in videos you generate or get for no in-game items and then monetize is different. There is nothing stopping streamers, or capture crowd from generating those videos then monetizing them on a platform. However if they paid ISK to make content happen so that they could record then monetize, that would be different.


Actually there is. If you don't have the permissions from CCP, which they hadn't given for many years until recently, you weren't permitted to monetize videos on YouTube that used EVE IP (i.e. in-game assets which would basically be anything you fraps'd etc.). CCP, prior to them granting the permission to monetize, could send a Copyright Strike against the YouTube user and the video would be pulled per YouTube's policy.

That, for many years, prevented people like Scott Manley from making any money off his EVE videos. CCP can also revoke the policy at their leisure, and due to YouTube's broken content claim/DMCA system they could prevent an unfavorable video from being put out that uses EVE assets. It's a dumb thing for them to do, but it has happened in the past.

Regarding Twitch streaming, they and other sites also have policies and rules pertaining to monetization which also act as a guideline/ruleset for those people to follow which is no different than CCP's guidelines and rules pertaining to video monetization nor paying ISK for in-game services related to EVE.

If I were to host and run an EVE tournament and paid the victors ISK and put the VODs on YouTube and monetized those videos I'd be well within CCP's rules.
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#602 - 2014-08-21 17:43:30 UTC
So am I understanding this correctly? Some whiner here who's sad over blink being nuked for multiple rule breaches, including blatantly selling isk, is trying to claim that any eve fan site that earns money should be shut down? I think the answer will be no, whatever insane reasoning you try to come up with.

Or is this just another "I R DON'T LIKE GOONS" thing?

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Hendrick Tallardar
Doomheim
#603 - 2014-08-21 17:46:22 UTC
Probably the latter thinly veiled as the former.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#604 - 2014-08-21 18:01:49 UTC
De'Veldrin wrote:
Caviar Liberta wrote:
I was hoping that you or someone else would have pointed out that the SA forums isn't just for EvE Online players and that people that use the SA forums play other games other than EvE online.


That's already been done, in this thread, by me and others. They're choosing to ignore that or handwaving it away.
Nothing quite like wilful ignorance is there?


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dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#605 - 2014-08-21 18:02:45 UTC
KayleInara wrote:
Mark Munoz wrote:
That sucks obviously because it is very common practice to have advertising and sponsorship deals on the web and in applications, but if that's the case then pay your writers real cash, or hope they like to work for nothing.
They are working for nothing. Isk has no value (try paying your utility bills with it).


Isk has no value?, isk sellers would disagree... it's like saying drugs has no value, because you can't trade them illegally.

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.
Quinn Hatfield
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#606 - 2014-08-21 18:07:18 UTC
dexington wrote:
Isk has no value?, isk sellers would disagree... it's like saying drugs has no value, because you can't trade them illegally.
Your post makes no sense, unless of course you're special, and can trade normally illicit drugs legally.

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#607 - 2014-08-21 18:13:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Quinn Hatfield wrote:
dexington wrote:
Isk has no value?, isk sellers would disagree... it's like saying drugs has no value, because you can't trade them illegally.
Your post makes no sense, unless of course you're special, and can trade normally illicit drugs legally.
lol, nice catch.

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Soldarius
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#608 - 2014-08-21 18:13:55 UTC
MRS AWSOME COOL wrote:

I'm no goon lover, but that picture appears to be pretty old (since reddit no longer links Mittani articles), and the SA thing doesn't appear to be RMT either since the money is not going to people who make the decisions in game. Its like starting a corp for people at your university - that should be ok, even though you have to pay a tuition fee to be a member fo the university.


That's actually a really good comparison. SA membership does not give any in-game assets. One need not play Eve to be a goon.


http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY
Hendrick Tallardar
Doomheim
#609 - 2014-08-21 18:17:48 UTC
Soldarius wrote:
MRS AWSOME COOL wrote:

I'm no goon lover, but that picture appears to be pretty old (since reddit no longer links Mittani articles), and the SA thing doesn't appear to be RMT either since the money is not going to people who make the decisions in game. Its like starting a corp for people at your university - that should be ok, even though you have to pay a tuition fee to be a member fo the university.


That's actually a really good comparison. SA membership does not give any in-game assets. One need not play Eve to be a goon.




Ding ding ding. We have a winner.
Cherry Yeyo
Doomheim
#610 - 2014-08-21 18:18:45 UTC
How did this thread go from Somer Blink to grr goons?!

WHY FALCON WHY Oops

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Fallon Talwyn
Doomheim
#611 - 2014-08-21 18:20:53 UTC
Anyone else surprised that the goons are now calling to start a CFC Blink?
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#612 - 2014-08-21 18:21:07 UTC
Cherry Yeyo wrote:
How did this thread go from Somer Blink to grr goons?!

WHY FALCON WHY Oops
Every thread turns into a Grr Goons thread eventually, in my eyes it means that they're doing something right Pirate

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Soldarius
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#613 - 2014-08-21 18:22:16 UTC
Hendrick Tallardar wrote:
Ding ding ding. We have a winner.


Cool. What do I win? If you say it requires a 500M isk security deposit...

Also, I would like to point out that if TMC were to pay it's contributors in cash, would the site not be liable for taxes on said payments? Using fake currency (ISK) would be an interesting way of circumventing those tax laws.

http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY
De'Veldrin
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#614 - 2014-08-21 18:22:51 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
De'Veldrin wrote:
Caviar Liberta wrote:
I was hoping that you or someone else would have pointed out that the SA forums isn't just for EvE Online players and that people that use the SA forums play other games other than EvE online.


That's already been done, in this thread, by me and others. They're choosing to ignore that or handwaving it away.
Nothing quite like wilful ignorance is there?




My father used to call it premeditated stupidity.

De'Veldrin's Corollary (to Malcanis' Law): Any idea that seeks to limit the ability of a large nullsec bloc to do something in the name of allowing more small groups into sov null will inevitably make it that much harder for small groups to enter sov null.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#615 - 2014-08-21 18:22:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Cherry Yeyo wrote:
How did this thread go from Somer Blink to grr goons?!

WHY FALCON WHY Oops

All threads eventually have to go down that path. Cry

De'Veldrin wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Nothing quite like wilful ignorance is there?

My father used to call it premeditated stupidity.

I like it. Putting that one on the list. Lol
De'Veldrin
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#616 - 2014-08-21 18:26:11 UTC  |  Edited by: De'Veldrin
Soldarius wrote:
Hendrick Tallardar wrote:
Ding ding ding. We have a winner.


Cool. What do I win? If you say it requires a 500M isk security deposit...

Also, I would like to point out that if TMC were to pay it's contributors in cash, would the site not be liable for taxes on said payments? Using fake currency (ISK) would be an interesting way of circumventing those tax laws.


It depends (a lot) on where TMC is based (fwiw, I think it's Wisconsin), and the governing laws of those jurisdictions, as well whether TMC considers them employees or self-employed contributors. If it's the former, they would be required to withold in accordance with state and federal laws. My guess, however, is that it is the latter, in which case the person receiving the payment (as a self employed entity) is responsible for making sure the tax man gets his cut.

The same kind of model is used by other game related entities - for example, Dragon Magazine which solicits articles from nearly anyone who can string some sentences together. They pay you - you're responsible for your own tax, which works out better for them since they get articles from all over the world.

De'Veldrin's Corollary (to Malcanis' Law): Any idea that seeks to limit the ability of a large nullsec bloc to do something in the name of allowing more small groups into sov null will inevitably make it that much harder for small groups to enter sov null.
Hendrick Tallardar
Doomheim
#617 - 2014-08-21 18:30:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Hendrick Tallardar
Soldarius wrote:
Hendrick Tallardar wrote:
Ding ding ding. We have a winner.


Cool. What do I win? If you say it requires a 500M isk security deposit...

Also, I would like to point out that if TMC were to pay it's contributors in cash, would the site not be liable for taxes on said payments? Using fake currency (ISK) would be an interesting way of circumventing those tax laws.


Yes they are. It'd require a 1099-MISC form on the US Tax Return due to the staffer being considered a "Freelance Writer" and so forth.
John Ending
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#618 - 2014-08-21 18:47:01 UTC
I used to have a sub to Dragon Magazine Smile
De'Veldrin
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#619 - 2014-08-21 18:50:05 UTC
John Ending wrote:
I used to have a sub to Dragon Magazine Smile

Back before TSR got run into the ground and sold to WotC., I did too. And one for Dungeon Adventures.

De'Veldrin's Corollary (to Malcanis' Law): Any idea that seeks to limit the ability of a large nullsec bloc to do something in the name of allowing more small groups into sov null will inevitably make it that much harder for small groups to enter sov null.
Sexy Cakes
Have A Seat
#620 - 2014-08-21 18:55:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Sexy Cakes
I love it.

CCP caused all these problems for SOMER Blink by giving them free stuff.

If free billion ISK Ishukone Scorpions had never been handed out to SOMER then everyone would still be in the dark about SOMER's dealings with Markee Dragon.

Now SOMER is grasping at straws trying to make RL money out of ISK.

Get a job ya lazy hoe.

Not today spaghetti.