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CCP Response Regarding SOMER Blink Concerns

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Montey Haul
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#441 - 2014-08-21 05:04:26 UTC
Rhes wrote:
Montey Haul wrote:
I think it's in pretty poor taste to rant over and over on someone that was given a huge grey area to operate in. For YEARs it was all fine. Now the petty trolls climb out of the woodwork and attack a part of the game that isn't even allowed a response in the same venue. Way to be righteous! Disrespect and low blows are what most folks expect when putting the truth in plain easy to read issues fail. Let's just continue to enjoy half the argument and call it non-biased. It's a game, there was an overwhelming show of favoritism and there will continue to be. Let's not call an apple an orange. Or if it makes you feel better.. do... Things got out of control. People with a long standing commitment to the EVE community were ridiculed and run out of the game. People have strong feelings on both sides and obviously not caring about how people address those feelings is not going to help anything at all.
Somer blink was a long standing part of the Eve community right or wrong that is true. Somer and staff all put a lot of hours to develop and entertain a lot of EVE players... <-Also true. If RMT is even a provable issue here is and where the concern should be placed. Not on picking needlessly at all the things that have no bearing on what actually happened.

When the good guys win it's okay for us to celebrate.

Pretty sure that Hitler shared your opinion
Hendrick Tallardar
Doomheim
#442 - 2014-08-21 05:05:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Hendrick Tallardar
crimsonshank wrote:
Video of CCP - Soundwave at Fanfest telling the Audience to get in you need to be a member of SA to join goons proving they are RMTing and need to be banned swiftly and justly like Somer

http://youtu.be/j1sdTzj9iac?t=4m55s


Should share that with CCP's Internal Affairs team as well as the Security team then. If you feel it's actual RMT and needs to be stopped.

Support@CCPGames.com

Edit - Pro-tip at the time he wasn't a CCP employee so you may want to clear that bit up too.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#443 - 2014-08-21 05:05:45 UTC
crimsonshank wrote:
Video of CCP - Soundwave at Fanfest telling the Audience to get in you need to be a member of SA to join goons proving they are RMTing
How are they RMTing?
KayleInara
Perkone
Caldari State
#444 - 2014-08-21 05:06:10 UTC
crimsonshank wrote:
Video of CCP - Soundwave at Fanfest telling the Audience to get in you need to be a member of SA to join goons proving they are RMTing and need to be banned swiftly and justly like Somer

http://youtu.be/j1sdTzj9iac?t=4m55s


You really have no idea what RMT is do you?
Hendrick Tallardar
Doomheim
#445 - 2014-08-21 05:07:05 UTC
KayleInara wrote:
crimsonshank wrote:
Video of CCP - Soundwave at Fanfest telling the Audience to get in you need to be a member of SA to join goons proving they are RMTing and need to be banned swiftly and justly like Somer

http://youtu.be/j1sdTzj9iac?t=4m55s


You really have no idea what RMT is do you?


It's what Goons do. Duh.
NeOnicuS
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#446 - 2014-08-21 05:08:59 UTC
mynnna wrote:
Sorry you work for a crook.
Sion Kumitomo wrote:
This, ladies and gentlemen, is what we call the Bernie Madoff defense.
Xander Phoena wrote:
This was beautiful. I had a wee cry. I'm going back to CCP to see if we can't reverse this heinous and misjudged decision for your family.
Sion Kumitomo wrote:
That's right, throw yourself up on that cross.



Derrick Miles wrote:
Well I must say that the CSM as a whole has done a great job lately representing the community. A few of them pouncing on the first SOMERblink member on the other hand... not so great.

It seems their class and professionalism knows many bounds.
crimsonshank
Percussus Resurgo.
Ribbit.
#447 - 2014-08-21 05:10:51 UTC
KayleInara wrote:
crimsonshank wrote:
Video of CCP - Soundwave at Fanfest telling the Audience to get in you need to be a member of SA to join goons proving they are RMTing and need to be banned swiftly and justly like Somer

http://youtu.be/j1sdTzj9iac?t=4m55s


You really have no idea what RMT is do you?



To join SA you pay $10, clearly stated you need to join SA in the video to join goons, correct me if I am wrong.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#448 - 2014-08-21 05:13:13 UTC
crimsonshank wrote:
To join SA you pay $10, clearly stated you need to join SA in the video to join goons, correct me if I am wrong.
…and, setting aside that joining SA is not the same as joining goons (which blows your entire dead horse out of the water), the RMT is…?
Hendrick Tallardar
Doomheim
#449 - 2014-08-21 05:17:17 UTC
crimsonshank wrote:
KayleInara wrote:
crimsonshank wrote:
Video of CCP - Soundwave at Fanfest telling the Audience to get in you need to be a member of SA to join goons proving they are RMTing and need to be banned swiftly and justly like Somer

http://youtu.be/j1sdTzj9iac?t=4m55s


You really have no idea what RMT is do you?



To join SA you pay $10, clearly stated you need to join SA in the video to join goons, correct me if I am wrong.


Out of curiosity, do you not think that since 2008 (and before) CCP haven't bothered to look into or determine if it is RMT? And if so, do you not recognize that they were ok with it going on despite it being your own personal classification of RMT?
Annie Getyourgun
The Graduates
The Initiative.
#450 - 2014-08-21 05:17:51 UTC
Jori McKie wrote:
Annie Getyourgun wrote:
With the discussion of referrals and third party retailers fresh on the minds of many, will this open up internal discussion of changing the way referrals work?

I understand the theory behind referrals is to help community sites (such as Dotlan, or EVE University with their Wiki) offset costs of operation, something that CCP wishes to do as it helps both with exposure of the product as well as makes the community a richer place.

So with the elimination of ETC and the movement to PLEX exclusively, what is stopping a change in referral links to act the same way 21 day trial referrals work? I want to support a community site, and when I click on their referral link, I am directed to the EVE Account Management page, where I can purchase a PLEX and the referring site gets credit for their referral. What is preventing this scenario from becoming reality?


@CCP, read this very thoroughly and think about it. This would solve so many problems at once.


About CCP's decision and handling the Somer incident, good, you actually gained some trust points. The CSM proved they are worth their money ;), no pun intended. Great work CSM keep it up and we may see more players starting to vote again and gain confidence in you.


Well, to attack my own position from earlier:

CCP currently only has currency related to PLEX flowing one direction, in. Whether it be a player, or a Third Party Retailer (3PR), they don't ever send out a single copper piece to anyone.

When the Third Party Retailer pays out the referral, all they have to do is record the transaction on the books. They already make outgoing payments to CCP for the PLEX, and receive incoming payments when they sell to the end consumer.

It is a tremendous leap from setting guidelines about how 3PR can satisfy referral links to doing it themselves. Currently the way things are, we have no say about how any of the referral income is spent; the recipient could use it on anything from server hosting, a weekly coffee, or even save it all up for a pizza party at fanfest. It is basically the same as donating to one of the community sites via Paypal, you are acting on good faith that they will do something you find appealing with the donation, but there really is little oversight.

When I posted this, it was more to foster some discussion in the thread. After reading some of the more recent posts, It seems that opportunity has come and gone. I still like the theory of what I initially presented, I am just not certain (and this is from an outside observers perspective) that it could be implemented with any degree of satisfaction.
Arkady Romanov
Whole Squid
#451 - 2014-08-21 05:18:42 UTC
crimsonshank wrote:

To join SA you pay $10, clearly stated you need to join SA in the video to join goons, correct me if I am wrong.


Goons are just SA members. We paid $10 to be a member of an Internet comedy forum community. Some of those SA members play EVE together. That's it.

Whole Squid: Get Inked.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#452 - 2014-08-21 05:25:04 UTC
most alliances require microphones in order to join their fleets and thus get SRP

i suppose that this is also RMT because microphones cost $10+

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
KayleInara
Perkone
Caldari State
#453 - 2014-08-21 05:25:56 UTC
crimsonshank wrote:

To join SA you pay $10, clearly stated you need to join SA in the video to join goons, correct me if I am wrong.


I joined SA in 2004.

I joined Goonwaffe in 2014.

SA got no 'referral' bonus from Eve in any way when I joined Goonwaffe (note that I played Eve back in 2009, but not in Goonswarm).

There is no 'monetary connection' between Eve and SA.


Let me go with another tack. In order to play Eve, you need an internet connection. Unless you are getting it free somehow, you have to pay a company for that internet connection. Said company does not get paid a kickback from CCP or anyone else when I start playing Eve, even though that internet connection enables me to play.


RMT means that someone gets real life $$ in their pocket for some sort of in-game action. This is not the case for either my cable company that provides my internet connection, or for my membership in SA - those entities would both get the money if I'd never even heard of Eve.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#454 - 2014-08-21 05:27:36 UTC
it might even count as being a group formed around hating people with speech impairments because they can't use microphones

let's continue this game of making absurd conclusions from eula snippets

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#455 - 2014-08-21 05:28:50 UTC
Andski wrote:
most alliances require microphones in order to join their fleets and thus get SRP

i suppose that this is also RMT because microphones cost $10+

It's worse than that.
Unless you're Tom Hanks stuck in an airport, logging in generally requires you to have access to money stored in a bank, which tends to mean that you're a citizen of some kind of semi-civilized nation, which in turn means that you'll end up paying taxes in some form ore another. And that's pretty much a “country membership” fee, just like the $10 for SA, so that's obviously RMT too. 😱

Ban the U.S., tbh.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#456 - 2014-08-21 05:29:31 UTC
crimsonshank wrote:
Video of CCP - Soundwave at Fanfest telling the Audience to get in you need to be a member of SA to join goons proving they are RMTing and need to be banned swiftly and justly like Somer

http://youtu.be/j1sdTzj9iac?t=4m55s

Oh **** guys we're ******

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#457 - 2014-08-21 05:31:07 UTC
also

Andski wrote:
joining a russian alliance requires that you speak russian

learning to speak russian costs money

i bet the russian alliances get a kickback from russian language instructors and rosetta stone, i know i'll find the evidence to out their little RMT scheme and if i don't i'll just insist that this is the case

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Trisha Landers
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#458 - 2014-08-21 05:32:25 UTC
CCP should ban corps that restrict membership based on nationality. It costs money to become a citizen of another nation just to be allowed to join a corp.

You don't join SA in order to join Goons. That will likely get you podded and kicked from Goons.

You join Goons if you're already a member of SA and also play EVE. Or you can just skip joining SA and pay an in-game referral fee to one of the many trustworthy Goonswarm recruitment officers. (basically any member of Goonswarm. They're all pretty stand up fellows I hear.)
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#459 - 2014-08-21 05:32:29 UTC
I have to eat to keep going on fleets with kcolor
food costs money
rmt

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
JamDunc
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#460 - 2014-08-21 05:35:39 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:


Frantico wrote:
I get why he got banned. BUT with banning him you also banned almost 30% of all the Unique ships in eve alliance turney ships of old and other ships that just dont exist anywhere else its alot of history that has been in 1 persons assets. for a game that is built around its rich history.

so what ccp should do is hold a auction of the seized Unique ships that way ccp can get eve history ships back out there to the public AND get alot of isk out of the game back to ccp.

whatever you choose to do CCP dont ruin the eve History by removing these ships from the game


We do not remove ISK or assets from banned accounts to re-distribute them into the game, regardless of their rarity or value.


I understand that this is the standard policy you are quoting.

I just wondered. Could you bring this up in some meeting and decide if an exception should be made in this case? I'm not talking about just giving all his stuff to players. Maybe some of the really rare one of a kind ships he has could be used during events or something. If you wont give them out at least let them die in a blaze of glory as they were destined to do.