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Manticore Stealth Bomber - pwnage

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ISD Ezwal
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ISD Alliance
#21 - 2014-08-20 20:21:02 UTC
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Desivo Delta Visseroff
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2014-08-20 21:10:10 UTC
Robert Sawyer wrote:


Edit: If used properly, if you sneak up on a ratting battleship you can blow it to pieces!



You do realize Sleepers switch targets now right? Your tank won't survive belt rats, let alone Sleeper NPCs.

I was hunting for sick loot, but all I could get my hands on were 50 corpses[:|]..............[:=d]
Horus H'kaan
Grand Theft Enyo
#23 - 2014-08-21 02:18:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Horus H'kaan
If you use a solo Manticore against anything except industrials in a WH you're probably gonna have a bad time. Even then, I'm confident a Procurer would eat you alive these days. Attacking a ratting BS solo in that ship will net you nothing except a 93 mil loss mail - as previously stated the Sleepers will bum you. Retrievers, Mackinaws, Covetors, Hulks, Haulers and the good old Noctis nanoribbon loot pinata are really your only targets worth considering. All else is likely just death one way or another.

A really REALLY pimped out Purifier or Hound has a better shot of taking out something that can shoot back, but honestly the outlook is still bleak unless you're snaked. Chessur's blog had some pretty nifty fits a little while back but hells bells they were expensive for a flimsy frigate and you'll die to the first mistake that you make. I've used one of his Purifier fits in the past and had fun with it.

Honestly though, if you want to go solo WH hunting you're best off with a Proteus.

I'm in your mission, stealin' your loots.
Justin Zaine
#24 - 2014-08-21 04:39:51 UTC
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HIGH SLOTS:

'Domination' Torpedo Launcher x 3
Core Probe Launcher x1
Covert Ops Cloaking Device x1

MEDIUM SLOTS:

Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I x1
Phased Muon Sensor Disruptor I x1
1MN Afterburner II x1
Target Painter II x1

LOW SLOTS:

Ballistic Control System II x2

RIGS:
Small Bay Loading Accelerator II x 1

AMMUNITION:
Dread Guristas Scourge Torpedo


Confirming this is a terribad fit that will result in a lot of ridicule and a painful loss mail.

Quote:
EDIT: To make it clear, this fit is INTENDED ONLY FOR WH SPACE.
If you want to go hunting in K-Space replace the Probe Launcher with a Bomb launcher.


You cannot just put together a **** fit and then try to convince us it's a "Niche" fit once it gets shot down, so stop trying :)

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If you use a solo Manticore against anything except industrials in a WH you're probably gonna have a bad time. Even then, I'm confident a Procurer would eat you alive these days. Attacking a rattling BS solo in that ship will net you nothing except a 93 mil loss mail - as previously stated the Sleepers will bum you. Retrievers, Mackinaws, Covetors, Hulks, Haulers and the good old Noctis nanoribbon loot pinata are really your only targets worth considering. All else is likely just death one way or another.

A really REALLY pimped out Purifier or Hound has a better shot of taking out something that can shoot back, but honestly the outlook is still bleak unless you're snaked. Chessur's blog had some pretty nifty fits a little while back but hells bells they were expensive for a flimsy frigate and you'll die to the first mistake that you make. I've used one of his Purifier fits in the past and had fun with it.

Honestly though, if you want to go solo WH hunting you're best off with a Proteus.


This. 100 times this, though I will add that it is possible to solo more than just miners and haulers if you exercise due diligence. Noobs running sites in fail fits? It's possible. Though be wary of incoming backup and you'll probably have to GTFO if they drop drones.

It's been a while and I admit i've never flown a Manticore, but my old Purifier fit used to look something like this:

3x Arbalest Torp Launchers
Probe Launcher
Cloak

1MN MWD
Warp Disruptor
Cap Booster with navy cap charges

2x BCU
1x Co-Processor or a DCU

2x Torp Rigs for DPS

Though there are obvious fitting differences here between the Purifier and the Manticore, you can see that my fitting philosophy aims for speed. Drones and Missiles are the bane of any bomber pilot and your best shot at surviving either of them is having as much speed as possible to maintain transversal.

Why the Meta 4 launchers? As I mentioned it's been a long time, but IIRC it's a tight fit to get all of those mods on and you won't be able to fit everything if you try to use T2 launchers. T2 Torps increase your sig anyway, making you more vulnerable to getting hit. T2 torps bad. Meta 4 good.

Decloak up to 24 km off your target and point, fire up the MWD and settle into an 18-20 km orbit. Cycle the cap booster when you get low on cap to keep things running. You can carry enough boosters to last (IIRC) 4-5 minutes of continuous cycling, which should be enough time to kill damn near anything you'd ever dream of engaging in a solo bomber. If he's got light drones he'll still be able to apply dps but it will be significantly reduced due to your speed, which should be upwards of 2500 m/s. Chances are that if you're taking any kind of effective fire, you're gonna have to leave. The situation will dictate, just don't be too stubborn to leave if things aren't going exactly the way that you want them to. be careful not to blink one too many times or you'll find yourself sitting in your pod. This is a fit i've had success with in the past ganking miners, haulers and even failfit site runners. The only problem is that after every fight you gotta go back to HS for more booster charges.

At the end of the day, while "Solo" is entirely possible in a bomber, that doesn't mean it's going to be easy, efficient or practical. If you're seriously interested in doing the cloaky WH gank thing, train up for a Prot.

He will win who knows when to fight and when not to fight.

He will win who, prepared himself, waits to take the enemy unprepared.
Andrew Indy
Cleaning Crew
#25 - 2014-08-21 08:02:53 UTC
Justin Zaine wrote:

Why the Meta 4 launchers? As I mentioned it's been a long time, but IIRC it's a tight fit to get all of those mods on and you won't be able to fit everything if you try to use T2 launchers. T2 Torps increase your sig anyway, making you more vulnerable to getting hit. T2 torps bad. Meta 4 good.


Are you use Torp increase your Ships Sig? I though that the Torps had a larger Exp Radius but not a penalty to your own ship.
Robert Sawyer
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#26 - 2014-08-21 11:05:09 UTC
Andrew Jester wrote:
Thinking this fit is good is probably why you aren't in RvB anymore...


I exited RvB so I can mine in peace, don't want my ship to get pew-pew'd by Blues.
EDIT: Will rejoin shortly

"And when, at last, the moment is yours, that agony will become your greatest triumph."
Chessur
Full Broadside
Deepwater Hooligans
#27 - 2014-08-21 11:14:43 UTC
Manticore is a great 4 mid bomber, your fit is kind of meh.

In my oppinion there is really only 2 ways to fit the manticore, if we are talking about solo bomber fun.

The first fit- is your standard Pure gank bomber, used against wounded targets / all Industrials.

[Manticore, New Setup 1]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

Limited 1MN Microwarpdrive I
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
Warp Disruptor II

Prototype 'Arbalest' Torpedo Launcher, Caldari Navy Scourge Torpedo
Prototype 'Arbalest' Torpedo Launcher, Caldari Navy Scourge Torpedo
Prototype 'Arbalest' Torpedo Launcher, Caldari Navy Scourge Torpedo
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Core Probe Launcher II, Core Scanner Probe I

Small Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Small Warhead Rigor Catalyst I

RL-1003 Implant

With heat, you are looking at a 600+ DPS bomber that applies full damage to any industrial, or Cruiser.


Now the second fit- is a bit more niche. It is used when dealing with people who are warp stab happy. And while it can be more dangerous moving into scram range, you can net some nice kills- and deal with those pesky ventures.

[Manticore, New Setup 1]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

Limited 1MN Microwarpdrive I
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I

Prototype 'Arbalest' Torpedo Launcher, Caldari Navy Scourge Torpedo
Prototype 'Arbalest' Torpedo Launcher, Caldari Navy Scourge Torpedo
Prototype 'Arbalest' Torpedo Launcher, Caldari Navy Scourge Torpedo
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Core Probe Launcher II, Core Scanner Probe I

Small Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Small Warhead Rigor Catalyst I

RL-1003 Implant

Again, 600+ DPS when heated.

The last fit that you can choose, is not a solo fit at all- but is used simply as an EWAR platform while you are flying in groups.

[Manticore, New Setup 1]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

1MN Afterburner II
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
Phased Muon Sensor Disruptor I, Targeting Range Dampening Script
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron

Prototype 'Arbalest' Torpedo Launcher, Caldari Navy Scourge Torpedo
Prototype 'Arbalest' Torpedo Launcher, Caldari Navy Scourge Torpedo
Prototype 'Arbalest' Torpedo Launcher, Caldari Navy Scourge Torpedo
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Core Probe Launcher II, Core Scanner Probe I

Small Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Small Warhead Rigor Catalyst I

RL-1003 Implant

Again, 600+ DPS from 60K with great application to anything cruiser and above. This fit, allows you to fit 2 EWAR slots with a defensive damp. The damp, will allow you to apply DPS from 50ish K with impunity, as most ships cannot target that far with a damp in their face. AB allows for cap stability and some additional damage mitigation. Last 2 mids can be placed with either TPs, TDs, Additional damps, or other mods to help assist in gang work.

Those 3 fits are basically all any manticore pilot really needs
Horus H'kaan
Grand Theft Enyo
#28 - 2014-08-21 16:34:16 UTC
Andrew Indy wrote:
Justin Zaine wrote:

Why the Meta 4 launchers? As I mentioned it's been a long time, but IIRC it's a tight fit to get all of those mods on and you won't be able to fit everything if you try to use T2 launchers. T2 Torps increase your sig anyway, making you more vulnerable to getting hit. T2 torps bad. Meta 4 good.


Are you use Torp increase your Ships Sig? I though that the Torps had a larger Exp Radius but not a penalty to your own ship.


This would be news to me too. I've always used Meta 4 launchers simply for easier fitting.

I'm in your mission, stealin' your loots.
CrAzY AnNiE
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#29 - 2014-08-21 16:43:08 UTC
Aquila Sagitta wrote:
Much better fit

  • bonus dps from torp spec skill
  • tank
  • uses both rig slots
  • can use t2 torps (rage are usually garbage tho)
  • Rigor + navy torps + crash makes it viable to kill cruisers 1(this dude was afk but still applied good dps), 2(this dude was just bad)

Offline point to online probes

[Purifier, Solo]

Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Co-Processor II

Medium Shield Extender II
Experimental 1MN Afterburner I
Warp Disruptor II

Torpedo Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo
Torpedo Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo
Torpedo Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
[OFFLINE]Core Probe Launcher II

Small Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Small Processor Overclocking Unit I



That's pretty much the same fit I run on my alt. Pirate
Lady Naween
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#30 - 2014-08-22 01:47:38 UTC
Justin Zaine wrote:
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Why the Meta 4 launchers? As I mentioned it's been a long time, but IIRC it's a tight fit to get all of those mods on and you won't be able to fit everything if you try to use T2 launchers. T2 Torps increase your sig anyway, making you more vulnerable to getting hit. T2 torps bad. Meta 4 good. .


yeah no such penalty anymore, it was removed.. eh.. quite some time ago
Voyager Arran
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#31 - 2014-08-22 02:01:10 UTC
Please god don't use faction torpedoes on a PvP Manticore.
Captain Soju
Failed Diplomacy
#32 - 2014-08-22 07:58:46 UTC
Wow no one talks about Nemesis, the first true stealth bomber in eve and other mmos?

Also, No love for thermal dmg?

Much angry, very disappoint, try no more

Athrael.net
Chessur
Full Broadside
Deepwater Hooligans
#33 - 2014-08-22 11:23:56 UTC
Voyager Arran wrote:
Please god don't use faction torpedoes on a PvP Manticore.


Should have CN torps with all bombers....... They are so much better than t1 or any T2 ammo.
Chessur
Full Broadside
Deepwater Hooligans
#34 - 2014-08-22 11:24:55 UTC
Captain Soju wrote:
Wow no one talks about Nemesis, the first true stealth bomber in eve and other mmos?

Also, No love for thermal dmg?

Much angry, very disappoint, try no more


Nemesis is impossible to fit. It has no where near the CPU that a 4 mid slot bomber actually needs. Thermal is a great damage type- its just a horrible hull.
Horus H'kaan
Grand Theft Enyo
#35 - 2014-08-22 16:56:34 UTC
Nemesis is just better as a bomb-flinging fleet bomber.

I'm in your mission, stealin' your loots.
Nick Starkey
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#36 - 2014-08-22 20:24:45 UTC
Aquila Sagitta wrote:
Much better fit

  • bonus dps from torp spec skill
  • tank
  • uses both rig slots
  • can use t2 torps (rage are usually garbage tho)
  • Rigor + navy torps + crash makes it viable to kill cruisers 1(this dude was afk but still applied good dps), 2(this dude was just bad)

Offline point to online probes

[Purifier, Solo]

Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Co-Processor II

Medium Shield Extender II
Experimental 1MN Afterburner I
Warp Disruptor II

Torpedo Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo
Torpedo Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo
Torpedo Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
[OFFLINE]Core Probe Launcher II

Small Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Small Processor Overclocking Unit I


Those kills made my day.

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Justin Zaine
#37 - 2014-08-25 19:55:19 UTC
Quote:
This would be news to me too. I've always used Meta 4 launchers simply for easier fitting.


Quote:
yeah no such penalty anymore, it was removed.. eh.. quite some time ago.


Oops, my bad. I was under the impression that T2 Torps increased sig radius, guess they dont do that anymore.

All the same, Meta 4 launchers are still easier to fit.

Quote:
Please god don't use faction torpedoes on a PvP Manticore.


Faction torps are exactly what you should be using on a PVP solo Manticore.

He will win who knows when to fight and when not to fight.

He will win who, prepared himself, waits to take the enemy unprepared.
Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
#38 - 2014-08-25 20:13:52 UTC
Chessur wrote:
Captain Soju wrote:
Wow no one talks about Nemesis, the first true stealth bomber in eve and other mmos?

Also, No love for thermal dmg?

Much angry, very disappoint, try no more


Nemesis is impossible to fit. It has no where near the CPU that a 4 mid slot bomber actually needs. Thermal is a great damage type- its just a horrible hull.

Other than flinging Thermal bombs, I have found exactly one fit that works for a Nemesis: a cloaky losec ratter operating between Amarr and Gallente space (Sansha, Blood Raiders, and Serpentis are all relatively weak to Thermal) that pops BS rats rather nicely. It's a borderline failfit that I only used because I had one lying around and wanted a challenge.

Talk about a niche fit.

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My Many Misadventures

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Captain Soju
Failed Diplomacy
#39 - 2014-08-25 21:26:53 UTC
Bronson Hughes wrote:
Chessur wrote:
Captain Soju wrote:
Wow no one talks about Nemesis, the first true stealth bomber in eve and other mmos?

Also, No love for thermal dmg?

Much angry, very disappoint, try no more


Nemesis is impossible to fit. It has no where near the CPU that a 4 mid slot bomber actually needs. Thermal is a great damage type- its just a horrible hull.

Other than flinging Thermal bombs, I have found exactly one fit that works for a Nemesis: a cloaky losec ratter operating between Amarr and Gallente space (Sansha, Blood Raiders, and Serpentis are all relatively weak to Thermal) that pops BS rats rather nicely. It's a borderline failfit that I only used because I had one lying around and wanted a challenge.

Talk about a niche fit.


I don't care

/thread

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Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
#40 - 2014-08-25 21:28:10 UTC
Captain Soju wrote:
I don't care

/thread

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