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Andrea Skye
Rico's Roughnecks.
#121 - 2014-08-24 11:16:15 UTC
I'm a pirate but i have to pve to make isk sometimes. Ransoms generally aren't worth it because half the time the guy your ransoming is just stalling for back up to arrive. Id rather kill your ass, get the killmail and possibly the loot sooner rather than later.

If your ship is worth more than 200 mil I might try a ransom. If I catch your pod and I am in a good mood, i might ransom that too. But dont count on it.

Pirates are a dying breed, there is no legitimate advantage to being a pirate at all. The only good thing about it, is being lower than -5.0 shows you have balls.
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#122 - 2014-08-24 12:32:14 UTC
Jarod Garamonde wrote:


We gathered a huge fleet (19) of heroic Catalyst pilots in an attempt to kill a Code-violating Orca pilot.
CONCORD white-knighted before we could finish the job. 0.9 is terribad.




19 Catalysts is a huge fleet ??????

I hope you guys are not serious.
NoLife NoFriends StillPosting
Doomheim
#123 - 2014-08-24 14:21:37 UTC
low sec PVErs that are not in a large corporation do not have the tools that make the risk worth the reward.

The mobile scan disruptor was supposed to be one of tools but the status-quo supporting CSM got it nerfed into uselessness.
Jarod Garamonde
Jolly Codgers
Get Off My Lawn
#124 - 2014-08-24 15:06:01 UTC
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
Jarod Garamonde wrote:


We gathered a huge fleet (19) of heroic Catalyst pilots in an attempt to kill a Code-violating Orca pilot.
CONCORD white-knighted before we could finish the job. 0.9 is terribad.




19 Catalysts is a huge fleet ??????

I hope you guys are not serious.


Fix your sarcasmometer.

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Evora Pirkibo
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#125 - 2014-09-22 20:47:08 UTC
Giuseppe R Raimondo wrote:
to the pirate that gets to plex himself and pay for his expensive toys every month with just ransoms , i tip my hat for you


Thank you, managed to ransom a pod for a plex contract awhile back. Not that its a regular thing but it is possible. Trouble is the ransomee has to be dominated by the ransomer, know it, accept it, trust the ransomer, and not have too much pride to pay them. Most flying around in a ship they intend to fight with are not willing and are troublesome to put in the proper position to ransom. Put simply, catch someone engaged in PVE and your chances of a successful ransom arent bad. Trouble is there needs to be enough reward for someone to risk pve in dangerous territory, and there isnt enough.

Since its so easy to make a living in HS with plenty of isk making opportunaties, the 'piracy' has moved away from traditional ransoms of yester eve and focused more on dec ransoms, mining permits or other means of extortion in HS.

You could have more ransom piracy with a number of things that would enrage quite a few players such as...
+cap on total amount of lvl4 missions given out by each agent
+lvl4 missions sending you to lowsec on a regular basis
+downgrade of HS belts to contain only base minerals
+separate the 4 empires with lowsec
+removal of HS incursions
+moving most/all HS ice belts to LS/null
+removal of most/all HS DED complexes

But so many players that solely reside in the 'safe' areas of space wouldn't just **** a brick, they would crap out whole buildings made from them

On a long enough timeline, the life expectancy of everyone drops to zero.
Evora Pirkibo
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#126 - 2014-09-22 20:56:17 UTC
Crumplecorn wrote:
Desimus Maximus wrote:
LOLZ no. CODE are the highest form of highsec carebears. Ganking industrials in highsec is not pirating. Its cowardice, spineless and child-like... which makes most of CODE members fit in perfectly.
In fact, all carebears and most PvPers are pathologically risk-averse, whereas Agents of the New Order readily sacrifice their ships in the name of the Saviour.


Risk involves doubt, knowing you will be concorded involves no variables. Therefore it is not a risk, but a cost willingly paid.

On a long enough timeline, the life expectancy of everyone drops to zero.
Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
#127 - 2014-09-22 21:24:00 UTC
Evora Pirkibo wrote:
Risk involves doubt, knowing you will be concorded involves no variables. Therefore it is not a risk, but a cost willingly paid.
A cost is just a 100% risk, a risk readily accepted by CODE agents where most balk at far lower values.

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J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#128 - 2014-09-22 21:42:54 UTC
Charles Muffins wrote:
From my experience in null/lowsec, it seems to me that the only way to survive is to come out guns blazing in a battleship. The issue with this is that there's really no economic opportunity's for anyone who's flying a non-PVP ship (miner, hauler, etc.). There's just too much ganking/gate camping, and why is that? There's more money in classic pirate ransom than blowing up anything that flies in space, and I'd take ISK over ship explosions and killboard numbers any day. With the "if it moves, it's dead" tactics it limits the growth of that area. It makes it too dangerous for anyone without a PVP fit. At least if I pay 50% of my ship value to a pirate, I get to keep my non-pvp ship and not recieve money from my horrible "platinum" policy which actually covers 1% of my ship value. That brings me into another matter. Insurance is broken. CCP's "anti-fraud" insurance backfired. Why does my super-durable procurer have a "100%" value of 2 million ISK, but my frigate insurance worth the real 100%? I think when CCP designed nullsec/lowsec, they didn't expect that ganking would become so popular, and insurance needs a big overhaul. Once nullsec/lowsec becomes more ISK centered and insurance becomes useful, people will begin going there more often.


Grr Insurance companies.

Grr Pirates.


btw, they are the same thing

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Cannibal Kane
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#129 - 2014-09-22 22:29:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Cannibal Kane
I do not consider myself a Pirate but a Terrorist and maybe one of the few that call himself that.

I do however make most of my ISK with Ransoms, the rest is paid by people who want me to terrorize others. In the end... is that not really what piracy is. Take what you want when you want by any means?

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Evora Pirkibo
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#130 - 2014-09-22 22:36:09 UTC
Crumplecorn wrote:
Evora Pirkibo wrote:
Risk involves doubt, knowing you will be concorded involves no variables. Therefore it is not a risk, but a cost willingly paid.
A cost is just a 100% risk, a risk readily accepted by CODE agents where most balk at far lower values.


No, any risk incorporates a variable. Your ships destruction is not a risk, it is definitively a cost of the activity. the risk is the possibility of your target surviving and your costs are paid in vain.

On a long enough timeline, the life expectancy of everyone drops to zero.
Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
#131 - 2014-09-22 22:39:21 UTC
Evora Pirkibo wrote:
No, any risk incorporates a variable.
Yes. In this case the variable is set to 100%.

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Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#132 - 2014-09-22 22:50:57 UTC
Crumplecorn wrote:
Evora Pirkibo wrote:
No, any risk incorporates a variable.
Yes. In this case the variable is set to 100%.

A variable that doesn't vary hmm? The word you are looking for is constant.

On a long enough timeline, the life expectancy of everyone drops to zero.
Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
#133 - 2014-09-22 23:05:59 UTC
Evora Pirkibo wrote:
A variable that doesn't vary hmm? The word you are looking for is constant.
If your reaction to a risk reaching 100% is to turn around and say that there is no risk, I hope you don't work anywhere important.

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Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#134 - 2014-09-23 01:11:07 UTC
insu rance covers more than 1 percent, often you can almost buy a new hull

many people do live in lowsec mining, exploring, and building - you just have to be smart about it.

i do agree that lowsec can be too pvp centered and combined with the terrible risk/reward compared too hisec is limiting growth (as far as pvp, lowsec is more active than nullsec and has been for a while now)

hisec needs a nerf - i wrote a blog about iterating mining to make it more worthwhile for indies to join larger groups and move to lowsec. this would be better for everyone, indies and "pirates" alike.

btw most pirates live in hisec now, cuz thats where the targets are

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Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#135 - 2014-09-23 01:12:51 UTC
Crumplecorn wrote:
Evora Pirkibo wrote:
A variable that doesn't vary hmm? The word you are looking for is constant.
If your reaction to a risk reaching 100% is to turn around and say that there is no risk, I hope you don't work anywhere important.


a 100% risk is not a risk, its a certainty. risk involves the chances of something happening.

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Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
#136 - 2014-09-23 01:18:11 UTC
Xuixien wrote:
a 100% risk is not a risk, its a certainty. risk involves the chances of something happening.
The chances of something can go up to 100%.

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Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#137 - 2014-09-23 01:22:07 UTC
Seraph Essael wrote:
To be honest, last time I ransomed someone, the reply I got was "go **** yourself you lowlife scumbag"...

I used to ransom people when I could, but so very few people actually accepted, it wasn't worth it. And that last reply made me stop ransoming . Funny thing is, I actually honour the ransom...

I think the other side of the story is the fact that (as stated above) most people are more bothered about the killmail nowadays that they take the ISK and kill you anyway. There are some who are honest though.

Also, in Wormhole space I know TDSIN and (I think) NOHO offer a "sing your way to freedom" that they do uphold.


i always suggest ransoming the freighters and orcas we catch and the fleet is always unanimously against it.

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Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#138 - 2014-09-23 01:22:56 UTC
Crumplecorn wrote:
Xuixien wrote:
a 100% risk is not a risk, its a certainty. risk involves the chances of something happening.
The chances of something can go up to 100%.


then its not a chance, its a certainty.

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Evora Pirkibo
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#139 - 2014-09-23 01:26:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Evora Pirkibo
Crumplecorn wrote:
Evora Pirkibo wrote:
A variable that doesn't vary hmm? The word you are looking for is constant.
If your reaction to a risk reaching 100% is to turn around and say that there is no risk, I hope you don't work anywhere important.

"The Risk Impact/Probability Chart is based on the principle that a risk has two primary dimensions:

Probability – A risk is an event that "may" occur. The probability of it occurring can range anywhere from just above 0 percent to just below 100 percent. (Note: It can't be exactly 100 percent, because then it would be a certainty, not a risk. And it can't be exactly 0 percent, or it wouldn't be a risk.)
Impact – A risk, by its very nature, always has a negative impact. However, the size of the impact varies in terms of cost and impact on health, human life, or some other critical factor."
citation

"Risk = Probability of an accident * Consequence in lost money/deaths"
citation

"Risk Components are:

The event that could occur – the risk,
The probability that the event will occur – the likelihood,
The impact or consequence of the event if it occurs – the penalty (the price you pay)."
citation

Crumplecorn wrote:
Xuixien wrote:
a 100% risk is not a risk, its a certainty. risk involves the chances of something happening.
The chances of something can go up to 100%.

There is no chance, probability, or variability at the values of 100% or 0%. A variable of 100% or 0% is no longer a probability, but a certainty.

Thanks for playing!

P.S. You can have the last word if you like

On a long enough timeline, the life expectancy of everyone drops to zero.
Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
#140 - 2014-09-23 01:26:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Crumplecorn
Xuixien wrote:
then its not a chance, its a certainty.
Evora Pirkibo wrote:
There is no chance, probability, or variability at the values of 100% or 0%. A variable of 100% or 0% is no longer a probability, but a certainty.

A probability stops being a probability if it reaches 1?

Interesting.

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