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Where's the pirates?

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S'Way
State War Academy
Caldari State
#21 - 2014-08-20 01:48:09 UTC
Where's the pirates ?

Docked in Jita 4-4 Caldari Navy Assembly Plant.
Chopper Rollins
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#22 - 2014-08-20 03:04:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Chopper Rollins
Well OP i read your observations and suggestions and have to say you don't know what you're talking about.
Now i know people say that to others all the time on the internets but really: BS in lowsec? The last 5 i saw in lowsec i helped kill. Bumped one so far off the gate he was trying to crash, good times.
No earning potential in low? I've set up de-facto market hubs by getting all the loot drops from haulers i've blapped, plus some other meta mods from hisec missions, stacked it up in a market and then shot the shoppers.
Hey Bapzooper! Activity both combat and economic.
In one quiet ugly pocket of low leading into a pipe that finishes in a bottleneck to null, i sold t1 hulls below cost in order to move mods n ammo i make. I move the stuff there in my blockade runner or have a JF service help me, even out to npc null stations.
Hey Bazongers! Investment of time and isk leads to profit and lols.
In one silly part of npc null i had explorers and pvpers buying things from me and dying to me and my corp. I'd see a familiar sounding name on killboard, then remember it was from transactions.
Hey Zimbabwe! Expensive loot stacks up from kills, goes on market, encourages tourism and roaming, which in turn feeds wallet and kb.

TLDR try more complex stuff.

Edit: insurance isn't meant to be a reward for derping your stuff. Combined with SRP it reduces the hurt. No SRP? Join a real outfit.

Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#23 - 2014-08-20 03:57:32 UTC
I've offered ransoms with the intention of honoring them. Never had a taker.

Most people do not believe that you will honor it.

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Charles Muffins
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#24 - 2014-08-20 04:52:08 UTC
I'm surprised people aren't really trusting in EVE. Big smileBig smileBig smile But seriously pirates are honest with ransoms to keep repeat customers.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#25 - 2014-08-20 06:32:33 UTC
Charles Muffins wrote:
From my experience in null/lowsec, it seems to me that the only way to survive is to come out guns blazing in a battleship. The issue with this is that there's really no economic opportunity's for anyone who's flying a non-PVP ship (miner, hauler, etc.). There's just too much ganking/gate camping, and why is that? There's more money in classic pirate ransom than blowing up anything that flies in space, and I'd take ISK over ship explosions and killboard numbers any day. With the "if it moves, it's dead" tactics it limits the growth of that area. It makes it too dangerous for anyone without a PVP fit. At least if I pay 50% of my ship value to a pirate, I get to keep my non-pvp ship and not recieve money from my horrible "platinum" policy which actually covers 1% of my ship value. That brings me into another matter. Insurance is broken. CCP's "anti-fraud" insurance backfired. Why does my super-durable procurer have a "100%" value of 2 million ISK, but my frigate insurance worth the real 100%? I think when CCP designed nullsec/lowsec, they didn't expect that ganking would become so popular, and insurance needs a big overhaul. Once nullsec/lowsec becomes more ISK centered and insurance becomes useful, people will begin going there more often.



There used to be pirates.

They lived on ransoms. They took ISK, and sometimes entire ships.


Then things degenerated. Ransoms were not honored any more. There's no metric to track ISK gained from ransoms. It's all ISK in the wallet as one measure that you can grind for, or ISK destroyed on the kill board.

So ransoming became that little extra before you popped them anyway. People stopped paying them.


And that's that. Back to grinding and NAPs and ship spinning.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Mag's
Azn Empire
#26 - 2014-08-20 06:41:14 UTC
I haven't played for quite some time, but when I did we used to honour ransoms.

One of the changes I would like CCP to bring to low sec, is a ransom mechanic. But they have ignored low sec for so long now, I'm starting to doubt I'll ever see any improvements.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#27 - 2014-08-20 06:52:48 UTC
Killmail whores ruined real pirates.

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Maekchu
Doomheim
#28 - 2014-08-20 07:04:38 UTC
Greedy people, not honouring ransoms ruined ransoms :P

But yeah, it's just not worth it. You can find better ISK other places, and when you catch something big and shiny, you usually just want the killmail. The random solo retriever in Lowsec, you usually just blow up for the fun of it.
Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#29 - 2014-08-20 07:07:06 UTC
Just ransomed a Damsel to a newbro yesterday morning. While not high dollar, we both had a good chuckle.

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
DJentropy Ovaert
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#30 - 2014-08-20 07:38:27 UTC
Gave up ransoming people a long time ago. Back in the day, you would either get a snarky or sarcastic response that would make me chuckle, or a payment that resulted in me letting the target go.

Today? It's like "GO BACK TO HIGHSEC FA**** FU***** PIECE OF **** I WILL FIND YOU RL AND ******** KILL YOU" and other creative responses like that.
Billy McCandless
Zacharia Explorations Group
#31 - 2014-08-20 08:01:55 UTC
pie rats hav to kepe there wurd to merchunts?

sinse wen

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Rabe Raptor
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#32 - 2014-08-20 08:02:57 UTC
There should be a ransom system... like the opposite of a Limited Engagement Timer. "So and so has offered a ceasfire for xxxxx time for xxxx isk." and then you can't fire :)

Together we can make Highsec a better place! www.lawofhighsec.com

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Debora Tsung
Perkone
Caldari State
#33 - 2014-08-20 08:53:57 UTC
Tried to read that Wall of Text, after a few retries the letters started dancing before my eyes, laughing at my feeble attempts to decipher their meaning.

Stupidity should be a bannable offense.

Fighting back is more fun than not.

Sticky: AFK Cloaking Thread It's not pretty, but it's there.
Debora Tsung
Perkone
Caldari State
#34 - 2014-08-20 09:01:25 UTC
Rabe Raptor wrote:
There should be a ransom system... like the opposite of a Limited Engagement Timer. "So and so has offered a ceasfire for xxxxx time for xxxx isk." and then you can't fire :)


I'd bring my friends and exploit the hell out of that.

If he pays once, he just might pay the other 6 times, too.

Stupidity should be a bannable offense.

Fighting back is more fun than not.

Sticky: AFK Cloaking Thread It's not pretty, but it's there.
Rabe Raptor
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#35 - 2014-08-20 09:07:04 UTC
Debora Tsung wrote:
Rabe Raptor wrote:
There should be a ransom system... like the opposite of a Limited Engagement Timer. "So and so has offered a ceasfire for xxxxx time for xxxx isk." and then you can't fire :)


I'd bring my friends and exploit the hell out of that.

If he pays once, he just might pay the other 6 times, too.


It doesn't help low/null but I used to honor ransoms while ninja looting and ganking... it'd make a big difference there.

Together we can make Highsec a better place! www.lawofhighsec.com

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TharOkha
0asis Group
#36 - 2014-08-20 09:45:43 UTC
if you mean pirates who kill for isk then they operate in 0.5-0.6 bottlenecks between trade-hubs (Niarja, Uedama etc..)

if you mean pirates who honor ransoms...., well they don't exist anymore.

CODE. Venture hunt contest in a nutshell
Maekchu
Doomheim
#37 - 2014-08-20 10:02:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Maekchu
TharOkha wrote:
if you mean pirates who kill for isk then they operate in 0.5-0.6 bottlenecks between trade-hubs (Niarja, Uedama etc..)

if you mean pirates who honor ransoms...., well they don't exist anymore.

Of course they still exist. R1der pilots, will always honour a ransom, if they decide to ransom you.

Personally, I just don't do it (ransom) because I prefer the killmail. But R1ders will always honour a ransom!
Dun'Gal
Myriad Contractors Inc.
#38 - 2014-08-20 10:04:25 UTC
They are few and far between, as mentioned before most players in these areas are in it for the killmails, and there is much more efficient ways of making isk than ransoms. That said those that are in it for ransoms, don't do it for the isk, but more for the thrill of the hunt, and satisfaction of accomplishing there goal, getting a ransom.

And to the guy above me, "TharOkha" the ones that are around ransoming regularly are generally honoring them. Those that don't honor seem to have fallen into the mindset that no one is going to pay ever, therefore why bother - they also tend to be the people that are in it for the killmail anyway so are more eager to just blow you up before the offer is even on the table.
Doctor Knuckles
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#39 - 2014-08-20 10:06:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Doctor Knuckles
Of all the time i asked for ransom, only once i've been paid (and i honored it, ofc). Mostly people either don't read local or don't care or don't trust the pirate to actually honor the ransom or they hope if they resist a bit longer someone will interfere and force the guy to run, or as already mentioned, just start insulting At some point you just stop asking and just headshot the guy and gg


Basically, the "blame" isn't entirely on pirate or PvPers, their attidues has much to do with how their victims respond
Milan Nantucket
Doomheim
#40 - 2014-08-20 10:22:56 UTC
They are still out there.

Last ransom I ever did was last year in a backend system. Newish player mining in a venture. Think I just popped him the first time. Some words were exchanged and he left the system (Didnt know what a venture was yet). Week later he is back...

Tackled again and gotem into structure opened a convo and pulled his sheet and figured a million isk would suffice. He argued a little and eventually paid.

So i left him alone for another plan. He agreed to be my bait and I wont shoot him. Sure enough a lot of other "pirates" showed up to pop him and because they truly sucked at pvp I increased my kb stuff.

I gave him a cut of what was looted and it was a very interesting time. He also didnt afk mine which is one thing I despise and eventually he got interested in pirating.