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Nullsec DED with 2 characters
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Spyke Mayhem
420 Enterprises.
The Initiative.
#1 - 2014-08-19 08:39:25 UTC
Hi, I need to ask for some help on running Nullsec DED sites (from 6 to 10/10) with 2 characters. Angel Cartel in this case.

My problem is I'm having difficulties understanding which is the best setup to do it. I've read multiple times of players that use 1 DPS BS and a RR repair dedicated ship, but here's my issue; the aggro in the sites switches constantly, so the RR ship needs to be able to remote rep and tank incoming Dps as well, so I dont understand how to properly set up the fits. Ship types and fits recomendations would be greatly appreciated.
One of the characters is mainly focused on shield tanking, so a shield setup would be great, but regardless any kind of advice is very welcome.

thanks
l0rd carlos
the king asked me to guard the mountain
#2 - 2014-08-19 09:49:44 UTC
2x Domis or better 2x Sins work just fine. MJD out and RR each other. Peace of cake.

Though I used armor fittings, even with low base explosion resistence it worked. WIth shidled maybe two Rattles would work?

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Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#3 - 2014-08-19 13:06:51 UTC
Spyke Mayhem wrote:
Hi, I need to ask for some help on running Nullsec DED sites (from 6 to 10/10) with 2 characters. Angel Cartel in this case.

My problem is I'm having difficulties understanding which is the best setup to do it. I've read multiple times of players that use 1 DPS BS and a RR repair dedicated ship, but here's my issue; the aggro in the sites switches constantly, so the RR ship needs to be able to remote rep and tank incoming Dps as well, so I dont understand how to properly set up the fits. Ship types and fits recomendations would be greatly appreciated.
One of the characters is mainly focused on shield tanking, so a shield setup would be great, but regardless any kind of advice is very welcome.

thanks


I usually just use my Autocannon Machariel with a MJD. Most angel ships charge right into you and the Mach has a magical falloff bonus lol. I warp in, MJD away from the bad guys (or straight up) and kill them as they close in.. Then i MJD to the next gate if there is one.

when i do use 2 ships is just for speed purposes, my second ship is always a drone or FoF missile ship. Used to be Tengu but now it's usually a drone/FoF missile Fleet Typhoon or Rattlesnake or Dominix (usually domi because the domi brings remote reps for emergency situations. I use FoF missiles because it means I don't have to pay attention to my support ship
Spyke Mayhem
420 Enterprises.
The Initiative.
#4 - 2014-08-19 18:35:02 UTC
Thanks for the tip, but do you guys go active tank on the shields? and with Armor RR do you just fit the Remote repers or some active tank locally as well?

Also do you never risk getting scramed when landing in a room before activating MJD?
Caleidascope
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2014-08-19 20:51:14 UTC
Spyke Mayhem wrote:

Also do you never risk getting scramed when landing in a room before activating MJD?

Rats don't scram.
Players do.
Avoid players.

Life is short and dinner time is chancy

Eat dessert first!
Spyke Mayhem
420 Enterprises.
The Initiative.
#6 - 2014-08-19 22:24:56 UTC
Caleidascope wrote:

Rats don't scram.
Players do.
Avoid players.



Deadspace complex rats do scram my good sir, as a matter of fact there are only few types of DED and Unrated nullsec sites without warp scrambling frigates.
allen allen
VooDoo Warriors
#7 - 2014-08-19 23:11:28 UTC
No they don't scram, you are incorrect.

They warp disrupt, which does not affect your MJD.
Spyke Mayhem
420 Enterprises.
The Initiative.
#8 - 2014-08-19 23:50:28 UTC
allen allen wrote:
No they don't scram, you are incorrect.

They warp disrupt, which does not affect your MJD.



are you sure? because Eveinfo and Evelopedia say *scramble. Here's an example

https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Cartel_Prisoner_Retention

http://www.eveinfo.net/complexes/index~67.htm
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#9 - 2014-08-20 01:07:30 UTC
NPC 'scrams' aren't scrams no matter what they call them. Player 'scrams' turn off mwd/MJDs, npc scrams don't.

In reality, NPCs only warp disrupt (thought it says 'scram') , thus npcs can never turn off your mwd or mjd.

The new 'Burner' lvl 4 mission NPCs will actually scram though.
Spyke Mayhem
420 Enterprises.
The Initiative.
#10 - 2014-08-20 14:16:51 UTC
thanks you guys for the tips, I came up with an awesome Rattlesnake fit that might just be enough to run it solo. 750 dps from 150 km with some nice active tank for tight situations. I think this should be enough, it has as much range nearly as the Machariel, but I have all the skills learned and ready to go

thank you!
Shiloh Templeton
Cheyenne HET Co
#11 - 2014-08-20 14:34:53 UTC
Spyke Mayhem wrote:
I came up with an awesome Rattlesnake fit that might just be enough to run it solo.
If you're still interested, Jester had a FOTW on a RR repair Domi that you might get some ideas from.
Spyke Mayhem
420 Enterprises.
The Initiative.
#12 - 2014-08-21 00:02:07 UTC
Shiloh Templeton wrote:
Spyke Mayhem wrote:
I came up with an awesome Rattlesnake fit that might just be enough to run it solo.
If you're still interested, Jester had a FOTW on a RR repair Domi that you might get some ideas from.



sure thing, where can i find this?
Julius Priscus
#13 - 2014-08-21 02:23:05 UTC
one vargur is all you need to do 7-10/10 angel plex's

having one RR ship is beyond stupid.. wh is going to rep the RR ship when agro changes?
l0rd carlos
the king asked me to guard the mountain
#14 - 2014-08-21 07:28:45 UTC
Spyke Mayhem wrote:
Thanks for the tip, but do you guys go active tank on the shields? and with Armor RR do you just fit the Remote repers or some active tank locally as well?

Also do you never risk getting scramed when landing in a room before activating MJD?


With 2x Domis, I just used RR and remote capacitor transmitters.

The damage in angel sites is minimal at range. After you MJD out it's quite easy.

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having one RR ship is beyond stupid.. wh is going to rep the RR ship when agro changes?


I would not do it, but I guess it's possible if the RR ship has some local tank and just burns away. Like I said, angel do minimal damage at range.
If the RR ship is ~80km behind the main damage ship, it's probaby over 120km away from most of the rats.

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