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Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
#121 - 2014-08-22 14:55:55 UTC
Can't say I have much attachment to a planet I've never even seen with my own eyes, and will probably never set foot on. The State is many things to me. A rock is not one of the primary ingredients as far as I'm concerned.

Prime Node. Ask me about augmentation.
Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#122 - 2014-08-22 15:37:02 UTC
I'd actually recommend heading down there sometime. I was privileged to be able to visit the Kaalakiotas before a titan fell on them, but there's plenty more places on Home that are worth the visit. It's a big planet. Even if you're not a spiritual person, it's nice to feel some kind of connection to the place.

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders
Rinai Vero
Blades of Liberty
#123 - 2014-08-22 17:34:16 UTC
Meh. I never particularly liked my home town, so my nostalgia for Caldari Prime is fairly limited. I used to visit family, but after my father passed that motive has been absent.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#124 - 2014-08-22 21:56:12 UTC
Stitcher wrote:
I'd actually recommend heading down there sometime. I was privileged to be able to visit the Kaalakiotas before a titan fell on them, but there's plenty more places on Home that are worth the visit. It's a big planet. Even if you're not a spiritual person, it's nice to feel some kind of connection to the place.


I got hitched in the Kaalakiotas. It was definitely an experience.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
#125 - 2014-08-22 22:14:13 UTC
Stitcher wrote:
I'd actually recommend heading down there sometime. I was privileged to be able to visit the Kaalakiotas before a titan fell on them, but there's plenty more places on Home that are worth the visit. It's a big planet. Even if you're not a spiritual person, it's nice to feel some kind of connection to the place.


I can understand that sort of connection, but as a born and bred spacer, I doubt any dirtside location holds much for me other than several thousand new pathogens and weird fauna. I trust all my inoculations, but I can't really see myself coping well on a planet without tightly controlled atmospherics and life support systems.

Also, Pengulins. Oh yeah, I remember those freakish monsters from the last time they were linked.

Prime Node. Ask me about augmentation.
Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#126 - 2014-08-22 22:55:28 UTC
I'm a born-and-raised spacer too remember. I understand the discomfort, but I overcame it myself and I don't see any reason why you couldn't.

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders
Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
#127 - 2014-08-22 23:27:41 UTC
Pingeluns, I tell ya. I'd advocate nuking from space, but they already dropped a titan on them and it didn't work, so I'm staying where it's safe. In space. With the blasters and the missiles and the smartbombs and reasonable stuff.

Prime Node. Ask me about augmentation.
Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#128 - 2014-08-23 00:53:35 UTC
...are you talking about the small flightless waddling birds that eat fish?

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#129 - 2014-08-23 02:17:28 UTC
Jinari Otsito wrote:
Pingeluns, I tell ya. I'd advocate nuking from space, but they already dropped a titan on them and it didn't work, so I'm staying where it's safe. In space. With the blasters and the missiles and the smartbombs and reasonable stuff.

No nuking Penguins. I forbid it, they are adorable.... and will rule the cluster one day. ALL HAIL THE PENGUIN OVERLORDS!!!!

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Karynn Denton
Lekhantsi Salvage Depot
#130 - 2014-08-23 06:56:00 UTC
Jinari Otsito wrote:
I can understand that sort of connection, but as a born and bred spacer, I doubt any dirtside location holds much for me other than several thousand new pathogens and weird fauna. I trust all my inoculations, but I can't really see myself coping well on a planet without tightly controlled atmospherics and life support systems.

Also, Pengulins. Oh yeah, I remember those freakish monsters from the last time they were linked.


I totally understand where you're coming from, Otsito.
I've only been dirtside about half a dozen times in my life and things like natural gravity, fresh air, plants that grow wherever they like and weather that does whatever it wants... it can all be a bit overwhelming!

But there is also beauty that would make your heart bleed; have you ever seen a rainbow or a snowfall? Truly wonderous.

And the fauna is scary at first, but grows to be fascinating... magpies, carabou and even those pinguns are amazing, as long as you keep a respectful distance.

Karynn Denton

Caravan Master
Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
#131 - 2014-08-23 09:59:54 UTC
Stitcher wrote:
...are you talking about the small flightless waddling birds that eat fish?


Flightless my bum. Why would a bird be flightless?! That right there is proof of shenanigans of some sort, possibly (but not limited to) freakish genetic manipulation by evil madmen or quite simply the evolutionary result of a predilection for running down your prey by foot or some other psychotic desires. I don't count something that can easily stab it's beak through my stomach without jumping to be small either.

And they swarm!

Last time someone linked pictures of those freakish things here I had to go have a session in my cuddly wuvvy bear pit to stave off the hysterics. Dirtside is freakin' insane. Ponguins. Proof that there either is no God or that he's absolutely insane.

Prime Node. Ask me about augmentation.
Kohiko Sun
Stormcrows
#132 - 2014-08-23 10:13:25 UTC
Be careful when you discover flying fish. That may end in madness.
Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
#133 - 2014-08-23 10:18:39 UTC
... you are fscking with me.

This is me nopeing the hell out of this thread.

Prime Node. Ask me about augmentation.
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#134 - 2014-08-23 11:36:00 UTC
Jinari Otsito wrote:
... you are fscking with me.

This is me nopeing the hell out of this thread.


How did you stay sane in a cluster where people make pets out of ferocious canine-like carnivores that pursue prey by jumping from tree branch to tree branch with the agility of monkeys?

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#135 - 2014-08-23 12:08:39 UTC
oddly enough, that "cuddly wuvvy bear pit" she mentioned was an idea she adopted when I described one of the more esoteric torture methods used by the Amarr. Apparently she enjoys it.

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#136 - 2014-08-23 12:29:06 UTC
Stitcher wrote:

The important thing to remember is that the Megacorps are amoral first
...
They're out to turn a profit, and will do everything they legally can and, often, whatever the illegally can get away with without regard specifically for morality
...
"nice guy" Ishukone.
....
The reason I have so much respect for the Mens Reppola administration

Go eat a bucket of kresh leaves, traitor!~
I hope you choke on them before even poison will get into your system.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#137 - 2014-08-23 12:44:26 UTC
Ah yes, I'm sorry. I forgot that in Diana Kim's vision of the State, facts are treason.

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#138 - 2014-08-23 12:58:33 UTC
Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:

Now, if you would start thinking logically yourself, you would realize that part "accountable to few people" signifies coverage of the statement, and, obviously, these "few people" aren't authorities in the State.

However, unlike outcasts as yourself, there are still many peoples who hold their citizenship papers and still serve the State and not their little egos. When you hold citizenship paper, it makes you accountable to the corporation that issued the said paper, and thus you will answer to laws of the parent corporation as a paper holder.


Actually, both my corporate citizenship and clearance documents are issued by Kaalakiota Corporation. I am only authorized as a citizen of the Caldari State when I issue specific requests for such recognition, usually only when I am required to enter a Kaalakiota corporate enclave whereupon it is reinstated for the duration of my time spent within such territory. In all other cases as a capsuleer operating under the legal jurisdiction of CONCORD and the DED my Kaalakiota Corporate Citizenship remains rescinded as per issued clearance documents by Kaalakiota. As a CONCORD-DED regulated capsuleer I would exist only in the Caldari State as what is in effect an individually incorporated limited liability corporation registered to the SCC.

As such:

1. I can only be charged with treason under the Kaalakiota corporate criminal codes at a time and place when I am reinstated as a Kaalakiota citizen on Kaalakiota territory.

2. In my operations as an SCC registered corporation under CONCORD-DED regulations I could hypothetically be brought before the Caldari Business Tribunal. I cannot however be charged with Treason as a corporation as it remains a criminal charge under Megacorporate criminal codes not the Company Law of the Caldari State.

Upon such elaboration, my earlier statement that accusations against a Caldari capsuleer of treason are diminished to the point of being laughable I believe still remains valid. Because a Caldari capsuleer granted their clearance documents is legally not an individual or corporate citizen liable to criminal prosecution as such. But only hypothetically as a company of which, "Treason" forms no part of CBT Law.

Even in the scenario in which a Caldari capsuleer may be legally charged with treason under a Megacorporate criminal code this would have to involve their reinstatement of corporate citizenship, while being on corporate territory and the charges brought forward by an authorized corporate officer.

Since no CONCORD-DED capsuleer on the IGS is empowered to act on the behalf of a Megacorporation as a member of a police-investigative or criminal prosecution section then yes, any accusations or allegations of Treason remain as I said, the province of personal opinion devoid of any real or actual authority.

You are saying "Caldari Capsuleer" a lot while talking about your persona, whether "Caldari capsuleer" isn't applicable.
Caldari Capsuleers serve the State, if you don't serve the State, you aren't Cadari capsuleer, but just a Capsuleer. Well, if you want to emphasize on "Caldari", then it would be a capsuleer of Caldari descent.

As for charges in treason, yes, Capsuleers are hard to put under tribunal, while they legally stay only as capsuleers. There are, however, inherited from Caldari Navy corporation military laws for wartime, that should be applied to Protectorate pilots as well.

If supposed traitors don't give up themselves for the process, or to detain them doesn't seem applicable, the usage of deadly force is allowed.

/

For those, not acquainted with this, I'd like to add, that this doesn't untie hands to officers, allowing to blame anyone in treason and shoot them. Because after that officers themselves are put under tribunal, and if the tribunal finds out that supposed traitor didn't commit treason, then the officer will be executed for murder and exceeding one's commission.
This means, before naming someone a traitor you must be completely sure that y and you are putting your own life at the stake to stand for your word.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Kohiko Sun
Stormcrows
#139 - 2014-08-23 14:01:23 UTC
Arguing with your cousins is like having the wind of a storm inside your own house.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#140 - 2014-08-23 17:41:51 UTC
Those, who leave the house and refuse to defend it from brigands, trembling under tables in their new shacks somewhere deep in Maker-forgotten wormhole space and other places, aren't cousins to Caldari.
I don't mind if storm will wet all over their houses, because they aren't Caldari houses anymore.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.