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Community Concerns Regarding SOMERblink

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Clanggedin Silverbeard
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#561 - 2014-08-20 01:12:47 UTC
I WANT MY TOKENS BACK, its both of your fault CCP and SOMER, i spent 49 bil to make tokens for this celebration (wich now should go in plain air???). you favored somer CCP so now its time to make it all right. same as character scamming perhaps?
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#562 - 2014-08-20 01:13:32 UTC  |  Edited by: James Amril-Kesh
Unezka Turigahl wrote:
No wonder the price for PLEX on the market rose so fast. How did the economist not catch on to this? Is this why he quit? What was CCP's cut of Somer's profits beyond the possible increased PLEX sales?

No, Dr. Eyjo is now Rector of the University of Akureyri. It's a rather prestigious position and I don't blame him at all for leaving CCP for that.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Lord BryanII
#563 - 2014-08-20 01:13:36 UTC
After the **** from last year, CCP should have given Somer a relationship manager that knew what was up
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#564 - 2014-08-20 01:15:39 UTC
Sniper Smith wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Sniper Smith wrote:
So what Blink was doing was wrong, But Eve Time Code can give you a Free PLEX for every $250 spent..

"New Promo - Your business counts! Starting May 9th 2014, After every $250 spent you will recieve 1 free PLEX"

Standard customer loyalty program (if a bit on the miserly side — isn't “buy 10 get 1 for free” the standard? P) with no in-game component. So there's no comparison there.

How is that any better than what Blink was doing?

Buy a bunch from our reseller get some isk free.. If what Blink is doing is RMT, then so it this.


It's not about what they're doing. It's about who hates who. No one hates Eve Time Code...yet

Mr Epeen Cool
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#565 - 2014-08-20 01:15:40 UTC
Clanggedin Silverbeard wrote:
I WANT MY TOKENS BACK, its both of your fault CCP and SOMER, i spent 49 bil to make tokens for this celebration (wich now should go in plain air???). you favored somer CCP so now its time to make it all right. same as character scamming perhaps?

Did you read Somer's front page at all? Supposedly he's paying it back. Whether or not he honors that is up in the air. No idea what kind of stipulations CCP will make either, or what they'll do with the confiscated ISK should they ban Somer's accounts.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Sniper Smith
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#566 - 2014-08-20 01:16:54 UTC
Lord BryanII wrote:
After the **** from last year, CCP should have given Somer a relationship manager that knew what was up

Or one that ran things through Legal..

I mean even Somer expected it to go through Legal and was told no.. WTF o_0
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#567 - 2014-08-20 01:17:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Sniper Smith wrote:
How is that any better than what Blink was doing?
It's not RMT.
It's also not lying to (the wrong) CCP execs about what you're doing to create a false “official ok” to cover up that RMT.
0wl
Hailbird
#568 - 2014-08-20 01:18:04 UTC  |  Edited by: 0wl
CCP Said they could do this, it's their fault if they didn't check the fine print. I'm not surprised Somer are up and leaving after this. If someone gave you a cow to milk, then came around and slaughtered it in front of you saying "I didn't say you could have the milk." ... What would you do, I know what you'd do, you would say things like "wtf, you're a psycho cow killing crazy person and now please explain to my milk loving kids why there's no milk and a dead cow in the front yard."
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#569 - 2014-08-20 01:18:10 UTC
Sniper Smith wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Sniper Smith wrote:
So what Blink was doing was wrong, But Eve Time Code can give you a Free PLEX for every $250 spent..

"New Promo - Your business counts! Starting May 9th 2014, After every $250 spent you will recieve 1 free PLEX"

Standard customer loyalty program (if a bit on the miserly side — isn't “buy 10 get 1 for free” the standard? P) with no in-game component. So there's no comparison there.

How is that any better than what Blink was doing?

Buy a bunch from our reseller get some isk free.. If what Blink is doing is RMT, then so it this.

Because they're not doing transactions of any ISK at all. It's basically equivalent to offering a discount on bulk orders. Are you suggesting that ETC retailers not be allowed to offer discounts?

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Thead Enco
Domheimed
#570 - 2014-08-20 01:18:21 UTC
Clanggedin Silverbeard wrote:
I WANT MY TOKENS BACK, its both of your fault CCP and SOMER, i spent 49 bil to make tokens for this celebration (wich now should go in plain air???). you favored somer CCP so now its time to make it all right. same as character scamming perhaps?




Whelp......
Clanggedin Silverbeard
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#571 - 2014-08-20 01:18:43 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Clanggedin Silverbeard wrote:
I WANT MY TOKENS BACK, its both of your fault CCP and SOMER, i spent 49 bil to make tokens for this celebration (wich now should go in plain air???). you favored somer CCP so now its time to make it all right. same as character scamming perhaps?

Did you read Somer's front page at all? Supposedly he's paying it back. Whether or not he honors that is up in the air. No idea what kind of stipulations CCP will make either, or what they'll do with the confiscated ISK should they ban Somer's accounts.


They are only paying ballance of playing isk you had on the account, not all the tokens wich will go in plain air. I was promessed i can spend them whenever i want, so i was stacking them for the celebration, and now they are all gone, but its not just me with the same problem so i will stop here and let the people talk. this is just bad...
Analeesa
Perkone
Caldari State
#572 - 2014-08-20 01:19:54 UTC
Before posting you should be up to speed on the following:

1: It is now proven that Somer did attempt to screw CCP over (full supporting irrefutable evidence in my older posts and bellow)

2: Blink is finished, whether it is a publicity stunt to gain support or legitimate is unknown, there is no evidence to support either theories with the exception of the unfortunate timing and wording of the announcement which makes it seem like a publicity ploy.

3: It seems shill accounts are being used on this thread to make Blink look like it's the victim.


Proof to back up the first statement:

CCP didn't approve what she did. Somer screwed CCP which is evident in the RTF Somer also linked. (http://cogdev.net/blink/affiliate.rtf)
This RTF is what Somer said was the finalized proposal of their plan.

As stated here 'Justification: Blink provides no extra ISK or bonus Blink credit for buying through the link. '
The lie is the highlighted text.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#573 - 2014-08-20 01:20:15 UTC
So, having posted in this thread once, I got four tearmails and one accusing me of being on the side of some other RMT group.

This thread delivers.

[ ] Rekt.

[ ] Not Rekt

[x] Tyrannosaurus Rekt.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Sniper Smith
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#574 - 2014-08-20 01:21:46 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Sniper Smith wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Sniper Smith wrote:
So what Blink was doing was wrong, But Eve Time Code can give you a Free PLEX for every $250 spent..

"New Promo - Your business counts! Starting May 9th 2014, After every $250 spent you will recieve 1 free PLEX"

Standard customer loyalty program (if a bit on the miserly side — isn't “buy 10 get 1 for free” the standard? P) with no in-game component. So there's no comparison there.

How is that any better than what Blink was doing?

Buy a bunch from our reseller get some isk free.. If what Blink is doing is RMT, then so it this.

Because they're not doing transactions of any ISK at all. It's basically equivalent to offering a discount on bulk orders. Are you suggesting that ETC retailers not be allowed to offer discounts?

The free PLEX is isk..

Would it have been better is rather than Blink giving you ISK for your PLEX, they gave, say, ships? Mod's? Whatever.. that adds up to the same value..

In both cases you spend money to get MORE than you paid for.
Analeesa
Perkone
Caldari State
#575 - 2014-08-20 01:22:24 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
So, having posted in this thread once, I got four tearmails and one accusing me of being on the side of some other RMT group.

This thread delivers.

[ ] Rekt.

[ ] Not Rekt

[x] Tyrannosaurus Rekt.


[x]
Aryth
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#576 - 2014-08-20 01:23:56 UTC
Sniper Smith wrote:
Derrick Miles wrote:
Just to throw my own opinion into the ever-widening ring...

I don't think that with SOMERblink shutting down the issue is settled or resolved. Other than any appropriate punishments as determined and meted out by CCP, I think the real issue here is the ambiguity in the third part policies governing what is and isn't allowed in third party development. As someone who's been trying to get into it, that ambiguity has by far been the largest barrier of entry. The complete mess of official information on the subject is so far scattered throughout blog posts, official articles, wiki entries, and year after year of dev forum posts that it is next to impossible to get clear, unequivocal answers to even some of the most basic questions.

And I don't mean to imply that there is no effort being made by CCP on the matter. I know CCP Foxfour and Falcon, for example, have been extraordinarily active and helpful in the community, but it seems that they badly need reinforcements. If CCP wants to help prevent something like this from happening again the first step would be a clear, official source of centralized information regarding the third party development rules and regulations. All of the ambiguity surrounding the rules as they stand is just a recipe for 'workarounds' and 'clever manipulation' of the rules that could potentially result in more instances of RMT or other rule-breaking such as this one.

Indeed.. if I was a 3rd Party henceforth anything I'd do I'd want a signed letter from CCP Legal to hold them accountable.. Clearly taking their word for it amounts to nothing in the face of any bad PR.


As someone who spends almost their entire EVE existence living the metagame...

Learn to recognize when CCP is being metagammed. Especially the clumsy, but effective, metagaming in those emails.

Leader of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal.

Creator of Burn Jita

Vile Rat: You're the greatest sociopath that has ever played eve.
NeOnicuS
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#577 - 2014-08-20 01:24:54 UTC
Sniper Smith wrote:
I mean even Somer expected it to go through Legal and was told no..

+1 to this. Not running things through legal when they requested you do so raises CCP responsibility questions. In addition, not talking to legal doesn't relieve liability. I enjoyed playing blinks, but at this point I think the community as a whole is missing a lot of the facts surrounding this.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#578 - 2014-08-20 01:25:51 UTC
Sniper Smith wrote:
The free PLEX is isk..

No, it's a PLEX. Getting a free PLEX for buying a certain large amount of PLEX is roughly the same thing as making larger packages of PLEX cost less per PLEX than smaller packages, something CCP does in their own sales and which doesn't qualify as RMT at all.

Sniper Smith wrote:
Would it have been better is rather than Blink giving you ISK for your PLEX, they gave, say, ships? Mod's? Whatever.. that adds up to the same value..

None of those would have been okay.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Alli Ginthur
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#579 - 2014-08-20 01:26:41 UTC
NeOnicuS wrote:
Sniper Smith wrote:
I mean even Somer expected it to go through Legal and was told no..

+1 to this. Not running things through legal when they requested you do so raises CCP responsibility questions. In addition, not talking to legal doesn't relieve liability. I enjoyed playing blinks, but at this point I think the community as a whole is missing a lot of the facts surrounding this.


They don't care, they got their head on a pike. Now it's time for the festival and then they'll quietly go on their way.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#580 - 2014-08-20 01:27:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Sniper Smith wrote:
The free PLEX is isk.
No, it's not. The free PLEX is a free PLEX, nothing more.
You got a bulk rebate on your out-of-game order that allowed you to pay less out-of-game cash.

At no point does it cross over into any kind of in-game transaction that trips the RMT flag.

e:f;b