These forums have been archived and are now read-only.

The new forums are live and can be found at https://forums.eveonline.com/

EVE General Discussion

 
  • Topic is locked indefinitely.
 

Community Concerns Regarding SOMERblink

First post First post
Author
Previous Topic Next Topic
Analeesa
Perkone
Caldari State
#541 - 2014-08-20 00:57:48 UTC
bacon lettuce tomato wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
bacon lettuce tomato wrote:
Analeesa wrote:
bacon lettuce tomato wrote:
CCP is going to lose a lot of PLEX sales and possibly subscriptions as a result of BLINK closing

If anything this is what is actually "screwing them over"



No they won't, there will still be the same demand and same supply price as always.

Don't try make up **** to make it seem like this is terrible.


Some people would buy PLEX to spend on BLINK before this 'special' or whatever it was. I was on comms when some addicts did it anyway.

Also, people in the Somner Lotteries channel are talking about their own subscriptions. I'm not making anything up, why would I? I don't care at all. I don't even play BLINK and just resubbed today because of the summer special... You seem like you care a lot though.

Well sounds like you're unsubbing again. You should biomass though because a name like that ought to go to someone who actually cares.


I should unsub because I don't really care about this BLINK drama? That doesn't make any sense. I'm not even that sure of what's going on, I just came back to the game.

Something about SOMER giving people ISK for using his referral link. Then CCP Falcon being really engaged, something, something.




You do realize it's CCP Falcon's job to make us fully aware of stuff like this.

He is community guy thing.

It's his job to be engaged and informative on the current shenanigans.
I Want ISK
I Want ISK Corp
#542 - 2014-08-20 00:58:03 UTC
I am the creator of iwantisk.com and I am here to state my opinion on this matter.

IF CCP decided to allow somer to do this, then somer should have been allowed to do it.

The bigger problem lies in the fact that the community was the one that got rid of blink's scheme it the first time, not CCP.
So why does CCP feel that this form of "Buyer's Club" (words from CCP legal) should be allowed?

On top of that, Somer should not have accepted any form of favoritism that gave them more fame, ISK, and recognition which in turn gave them an infamous status across the community. Somer you should have chosen the community.

I am the competition and I honestly hate to see the competition go. Competition makes the game more fun.

I don't believe this is the end of blink. They can definitely use this to their advantage. But blink was already starting to lose lots of its speed and activity.

Ultimately, the community decided, and the community has decided that Somer should not be given any favoritism from CCP as that means that CCP is interfering with who is rich and known in eve. Keep it the sandbox it is supposed to be and don't allow certain people to force you to change and manipulate the rules to their advantage. Stick to your EULA and stop making EULAs that are so broad that no one can understand them and no case can be dismissed with how vague the EULA is.

My site has not once been given any favor by CCP. They tormented some of our bankers ofc but that is a whole other story that if I tell it to you, could be a violation of these confusing EULA terms.

BTW, If you post a link to somer blink's site on these forums, the forum system will not alert you that you are leaving the forums. Post my link and the forums will force you to make sure you want to leave.

FAVORITISM.

EVE's only gambling engine IwantISK.com
Suzie Swindle
Shady Con Artist Militia
#543 - 2014-08-20 01:01:34 UTC
To those who say its not somers fault but CCP how can you get to that conclusion with the way the facts are as they sit right now, if they did this for the love of the game, and the fun, not for financial game, then pretty weak reason to bail... here is a small list of evidence....

1) Somers was told not to do this last year with their "bonus" program when they took the week grace period to go crazy with it and cash in as much as possible and then did the same thing again.

2) Somers own "proof" shows talks about "no" bonus offered, yet when it came time a bonus was offered

3) Somers claimed it was vetted by CCP and totaly legal/legit, when in fact it wasnt legal it was someone who was in sales... (this part is my opinion, but it was a friend most likely as to how they talked to eachother)

4) Somers claims they are "tossed under the bus" so they are quitting... if you are in the right and have not committed an offense do you tantrum and take your wagon home?

5) Somers shuts down as soon as they cannot run their kickback for cash program

Those who are saying "ohhhh well they did so much for the community".... you are right... but it wasn't for fun and for the game...well at least not at the end... it became a kickback for cash, and their good will to the community and donations to stuff was little more then advertising for the cash that would come in.... anyways its all been said before...

Oh and to those who say "who cares they brought so much more to eve" they should be able to make money off of it, its no big deal... There is ZERO tolerance for RMT... they shouldn't have special treatment....

And anyone who is quitting Eve over this... please send me your stuffs and isk... thanks!
bacon lettuce tomato
#544 - 2014-08-20 01:02:09 UTC
Analeesa wrote:
bacon lettuce tomato wrote:


I should unsub because I don't really care about this BLINK drama? That doesn't make any sense. I'm not even that sure of what's going on, I just came back to the game.

Something about SOMER giving people ISK for using his referral link. Then CCP Falcon being really engaged, something, something.




You do realize it's CCP Falcon's job to make us fully aware of stuff like this.

He is community guy thing.

It's his job to be engaged and informative on the current shenanigans.



ok, thanks for your input

It's valuable and you are valuable as a person.

I appreciate you and acknowledge you and thanks again for your response to this topic.
ExcaliburX
Prototype Technologies
#545 - 2014-08-20 01:02:12 UTC
In other news...

CCP is releasing a new "casino" feature for EVE Online with the new Hyperion patch!

"Walking in station" now has a whole new meaning! Open the door that has been locked in your station for years to access the new EVE casino! Gamble your isk away to your heart's content!

In all seriousness, CCP should make something similar to Blink that is within the EVE client. You would have a new isk sink. You would be engaging the player base. It would pull money away from other third-parties that could be RMT'ing. All under the supervision of the CCP security team.
Unezka Turigahl
Det Som Engang Var
#546 - 2014-08-20 01:03:00 UTC
No wonder the price for PLEX on the market rose so fast. How did the economist not catch on to this? Is this why he quit? What was CCP's cut of Somer's profits beyond the possible increased PLEX sales?
Derrick Miles
Death Rabbit Ky Oneida
#547 - 2014-08-20 01:03:11 UTC
Just to throw my own opinion into the ever-widening ring...

I don't think that with SOMERblink shutting down the issue is settled or resolved. Other than any appropriate punishments as determined and meted out by CCP, I think the real issue here is the ambiguity in the third part policies governing what is and isn't allowed in third party development. As someone who's been trying to get into it, that ambiguity has by far been the largest barrier of entry. The complete mess of official information on the subject is so far scattered throughout blog posts, official articles, wiki entries, and year after year of dev forum posts that it is next to impossible to get clear, unequivocal answers to even some of the most basic questions.

And I don't mean to imply that there is no effort being made by CCP on the matter. I know CCP Foxfour and Falcon, for example, have been extraordinarily active and helpful in the community, but it seems that they badly need reinforcements. If CCP wants to help prevent something like this from happening again the first step would be a clear, official source of centralized information regarding the third party development rules and regulations. All of the ambiguity surrounding the rules as they stand is just a recipe for 'workarounds' and 'clever manipulation' of the rules that could potentially result in more instances of RMT or other rule-breaking such as this one.
Sniper Smith
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#548 - 2014-08-20 01:06:31 UTC
Derrick Miles wrote:
Just to throw my own opinion into the ever-widening ring...

I don't think that with SOMERblink shutting down the issue is settled or resolved. Other than any appropriate punishments as determined and meted out by CCP, I think the real issue here is the ambiguity in the third part policies governing what is and isn't allowed in third party development. As someone who's been trying to get into it, that ambiguity has by far been the largest barrier of entry. The complete mess of official information on the subject is so far scattered throughout blog posts, official articles, wiki entries, and year after year of dev forum posts that it is next to impossible to get clear, unequivocal answers to even some of the most basic questions.

And I don't mean to imply that there is no effort being made by CCP on the matter. I know CCP Foxfour and Falcon, for example, have been extraordinarily active and helpful in the community, but it seems that they badly need reinforcements. If CCP wants to help prevent something like this from happening again the first step would be a clear, official source of centralized information regarding the third party development rules and regulations. All of the ambiguity surrounding the rules as they stand is just a recipe for 'workarounds' and 'clever manipulation' of the rules that could potentially result in more instances of RMT or other rule-breaking such as this one.

Indeed.. if I was a 3rd Party henceforth anything I'd do I'd want a signed letter from CCP Legal to hold them accountable.. Clearly taking their word for it amounts to nothing in the face of any bad PR.
Captain Aizen1
Cedar Knolls Research
#549 - 2014-08-20 01:07:42 UTC
Hey CCP DEV'S SOMERBLINK JUST PUT THIS ON THERE SITE http://cogdev.net/blink/lisa.txt
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#550 - 2014-08-20 01:08:43 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:
I just burned a PLEX to come back here and say:

This

Best PLEX expenditure ever.
Analeesa
Perkone
Caldari State
#551 - 2014-08-20 01:09:04 UTC
Captain Aizen1 wrote:
Hey CCP DEV'S SOMERBLINK JUST PUT THIS ON THERE SITE http://cogdev.net/blink/lisa.txt

Been there since the beginning.
Cherry Yeyo
Doomheim
#552 - 2014-08-20 01:09:04 UTC
I Want ISK wrote:
If CCP decided to allow somer to do this, then somer should have been allowed to do it

Except they didnt decide- Falcon said this whole thing was never run by legal. Somer took his latest scheme and ran with it and hoped no one would pay attention, the dude has been trying to turn his massive pile of useless isk (to him) into real life bucks ever since last year.

.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#553 - 2014-08-20 01:10:12 UTC
Captain Aizen1 wrote:
Hey CCP DEV'S SOMERBLINK JUST PUT THIS ON THERE SITE http://cogdev.net/blink/lisa.txt

That's been there for a day or so. They're fully aware of it.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Captain Aizen1
Cedar Knolls Research
#554 - 2014-08-20 01:10:16 UTC
Analeesa wrote:
Captain Aizen1 wrote:
Hey CCP DEV'S SOMERBLINK JUST PUT THIS ON THERE SITE http://cogdev.net/blink/lisa.txt

Been there since the beginning.

just pop up for me? hmm
Sniper Smith
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#555 - 2014-08-20 01:10:25 UTC
Cherry Yeyo wrote:
I Want ISK wrote:
If CCP decided to allow somer to do this, then somer should have been allowed to do it

Except they didnt decide- Falcon said this whole thing was never run by legal. Somer took his latest scheme and ran with it and hoped no one would pay attention, the dude has been trying to turn his massive pile of useless isk (to him) into real life bucks ever since last year.

He did ask if he needed to go through Legal.. CCP was the one that said Naa you're fine.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#556 - 2014-08-20 01:10:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Sniper Smith wrote:
So what Blink was doing was wrong, But Eve Time Code can give you a Free PLEX for every $250 spent..

"New Promo - Your business counts! Starting May 9th 2014, After every $250 spent you will recieve 1 free PLEX"

Standard customer loyalty program (if a bit on the miserly side — isn't “buy 10 get 1 for free” the standard? P) with no in-game component. So there's no comparison there.
Arrendis
TK Corp
#557 - 2014-08-20 01:10:49 UTC
bacon lettuce tomato wrote:
I should unsub because I don't really care about this BLINK drama? That doesn't make any sense. I'm not even that sure of what's going on, I just came back to the game.

Something about SOMER giving people ISK for using his referral link. Then CCP Falcon being really engaged, something, something.


I'm gonna go ahead and second the motion proposed by the gentleman from Goonswarm, on the grounds that if you're wading through 20 pages of forum horse-hockey (as Col. Potter used to say) to let us all know how much you don't care, you've already got a fair amount of excess biomass that's clearly backed up from your lower intestine to the point where it's coming out of your mouth.
Sniper Smith
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#558 - 2014-08-20 01:11:12 UTC
Captain Aizen1 wrote:
Analeesa wrote:
Captain Aizen1 wrote:
Hey CCP DEV'S SOMERBLINK JUST PUT THIS ON THERE SITE http://cogdev.net/blink/lisa.txt

Been there since the beginning.

just pop up for me? hmm

It was on the GTC page for at least a day now..
Sniper Smith
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#559 - 2014-08-20 01:12:21 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Sniper Smith wrote:
So what Blink was doing was wrong, But Eve Time Code can give you a Free PLEX for every $250 spent..

"New Promo - Your business counts! Starting May 9th 2014, After every $250 spent you will recieve 1 free PLEX"

Standard customer loyalty program (if a bit on the miserly side — isn't “buy 10 get 1 for free” the standard? P) with no in-game component. So there's no comparison there.

How is that any better than what Blink was doing?

Buy a bunch from our reseller get some isk free.. If what Blink is doing is RMT, then so it this.
Captain Aizen1
Cedar Knolls Research
#560 - 2014-08-20 01:12:45 UTC
Sniper Smith wrote:
Captain Aizen1 wrote:
Analeesa wrote:
Captain Aizen1 wrote:
Hey CCP DEV'S SOMERBLINK JUST PUT THIS ON THERE SITE http://cogdev.net/blink/lisa.txt

Been there since the beginning.

just pop up for me? hmm

It was on the GTC page for at least a day now..

oh don't look at that at all never buy gtc.