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Kirasten
Perkone
Caldari State
#81 - 2014-08-18 23:46:56 UTC
I'm not understanding why people are thinking rolling a wh is safe now? A good portion of losses in w-space happen while someone is rolling a hole.

And when 9 out of 10 null sec holes we jump through doesnt see the whole system pos/station up or just simply log out, then you can talk about our bearing ways. If the reward was worth the risk as much as you claim, why aren't you living in a wh? I'll tell you why, because most people don't think the reward is high enough.
Beffah
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#82 - 2014-08-18 23:55:36 UTC
I started giggling at the end of the OP.

By the end of the first page my sides were aching.

By the end of page three I had to change my pants.

You want tears? Right now I'm wiping them from my eyes because this is possibly the best troll thread ever.
Alan Artemisa
Macabre Votum
Northern Coalition.
#83 - 2014-08-18 23:59:49 UTC
Can't we just have some Jita riots again? I'll join anyway, but I doubt if CCP cares about us popping incursion motherships Roll
Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#84 - 2014-08-19 00:01:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Rek Seven
Kirasten wrote:
I'm not understanding why people are thinking rolling a wh is safe now? A good portion of losses in w-space happen while someone is rolling a hole.

And when 9 out of 10 null sec holes we jump through doesnt see the whole system pos/station up or just simply log out, then you can talk about our bearing ways. If the reward was worth the risk as much as you claim, why aren't you living in a wh? I'll tell you why, because most people don't think the reward is high enough.


Probably more to do with all the downsides... Sure the isk is okay but why put up with living in a pos when most of your kills come from null anyway? I can't remember the last time I saw a big hostile fleet flying through w-space. Ugh

I do agree that there isn't enough incentive to live in w-space but more isk isn't the answer.
Hayley Enaka
Bookmark Both Sides
#85 - 2014-08-19 00:22:53 UTC
This thread is a joke right?
Hatshepsut IV
Un.Reasonable
#86 - 2014-08-19 00:23:44 UTC
Rek Seven wrote:
....I can't remember the last time I saw a big hostile fleet flying through w-space.



Depends on how big. I've seen some pretty big ixtab fleets roll through. X.X

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epicurus ataraxia
Illusion of Solitude.
Illusion of Solitude
#87 - 2014-08-19 00:26:42 UTC  |  Edited by: epicurus ataraxia


Well I certainly would not wish to comment about your personal experience of rubbing two brain cells together to get a coherent thought, I bow to your experience in the matter. I commend you on your success, but I am concerned that during such rubbing you may have generated fire and confused it for thought.

There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE

epicurus ataraxia
Illusion of Solitude.
Illusion of Solitude
#88 - 2014-08-19 00:33:09 UTC  |  Edited by: epicurus ataraxia
Hayley Enaka wrote:
This thread is a joke right?


Why yes, yes it is. After the editing that made it clearer later. What?

However the Idea is sound, not to whelp incursion fleets, but for wormhole corporations, to express their anger and disappointment, with the whole direction this is taking the game. Disrupting various aspects of the eve economy is the Ideal expression, particularly as one of our corporations is opening up almost everywhere in new eden every minute, we just need to disrupt as many sections of the game economy as possible. The magnitude is not the goal, just the visibility.
This can only happen if it occurs as a broad combined assault, across whole swathes of space, and would need the various corporations to temporarily work together.

Is this possible? One would hope so.

Whether this happens or not, who can say, but just accepting things, would be a very bad signal to give.
And we will just be rolled over and considered something to ignore by CCP.

There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE

Keith Planck
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#89 - 2014-08-19 00:39:13 UTC
epicurus ataraxia wrote:
Hayley Enaka wrote:
This thread is a joke right?


After the editing that made it clearer later. What?



the leliest
epicurus ataraxia
Illusion of Solitude.
Illusion of Solitude
#90 - 2014-08-19 00:40:36 UTC
Keith Planck wrote:
epicurus ataraxia wrote:
Hayley Enaka wrote:
This thread is a joke right?


After the editing that made it clearer later. What?



the leliest



10/10 good troll I would bite again.

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Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#91 - 2014-08-19 00:52:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Jack Miton
Keith Planck wrote:
If any wormholers have any question regarding fits/times please direct them to our main incursion FC: Winthorp

I love the irony of having 1 of the 2 people who support the WH changes as the FC for the 'protest fleet'. a great touch.

PS: Just read through the actual replies. a truly masterful troll ;)

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Cosmic Scanner
Overload This
Escalation Theory
#92 - 2014-08-19 00:58:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Cosmic Scanner
The general opposition to this change isn't about protecting farmers, isk income, isolating ourselves or being "safe". Anyone who says that lacks understanding or experience in wh space.

Yes it allows farmers to isolate themselves, HOWEVER it is also the same mechanic, and the ONLY mechanic aside from log-off traps that gets them ganked and killed for the most part. Removing the API sleeper kills means log-off traps are extremely difficult to do as its very hard to predict when a farming entity will do sites without 24/7 scout watching every moment of every day. Not arguing with the API change, just stating a fact.

Large and Small groups alike use this mechanic to hunt and find targets, like the "isolated" farmers, be it through general roll / scan / roll / scan or dedicated rage rolling, where a wh static is rolled every few minutes or so with the goal of seeking fights or catching site runners off guard. Increased capital spawning distance makes rage rolling take significantly longer and more painful to do.

I really feel for the smaller pvp entities, as literally the WORST thing in day to day wh space, is to have a really **** chain and being able to do nothing viable about it. By viable i mean not suicide welping a cap every time you want to roll your static, or having to spend 1 hour rolling a wh with a small amount of Battleships.

Changing this mechanic will very likely result in less pew and less site ganks across w-space. On the other hand it just means we'll have more time to spend poking in null for ratting carriers.

Cosmic Scanner / muu lufragga

epicurus ataraxia
Illusion of Solitude.
Illusion of Solitude
#93 - 2014-08-19 00:58:22 UTC
Jack Miton wrote:
Keith Planck wrote:
If any wormholers have any question regarding fits/times please direct them to our main incursion FC: Winthorp

I love the irony of having 1 of the 2 people who support the WH changes as the FC for the 'protest fleet'. a great touch.


Well CCP clearly doesn't decide their changes by popular opinion, so they are probably in a good position being the only two.

There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE

Bizzaro Stormy MurphDog
B.L.U.E L.A.S.E.R.
#94 - 2014-08-19 01:25:15 UTC
Bronya Boga wrote:
Rain6637 wrote:
npc buy orders, mostly


I suggest as a reward for bounties on rats we revert the warp to 0 on stargates change or maybe when you jump gate spawn inside the gate... risk for your reward :)


Or how about when you jump a gate, you land outside of jump range, forcing people to slowboat back if they want to flee?

I am not an alt of Chribba.

Ahost Gceo
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#95 - 2014-08-19 01:29:28 UTC
Its the difficulty of rolling holes being raised that ticks me off. I'm all for making rolling dangerous and w-space more dangerous in general, but this will do nothing to achieve that. People just won't roll with capitals, and where rage rolling for pew was once a fantastic way of dunking some site runners, it will take 4x as long to roll each hole.

This change is a step backwards, and its a damn shame CCP won't listen, or explain why they think this is a good idea.

CCP ignore me please, I make too much sense.

Erufen Rito
The Dark Space Initiative
Scary Wormhole People
#96 - 2014-08-19 01:29:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Erufen Rito
Why not make stargates work on the same fashion? I mean, they are supposedly gravity operated, thus the mass of a ship should impact the origin distance from the gate. Why not do it to cynos and bridges as well? Oh, because that will **** up nullsec for sure.

This is as nice as I get. Best quote ever https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4137165#post4137165

Muilenburg
Black Aces
Goonswarm Federation
#97 - 2014-08-19 01:49:02 UTC
Official Diplomat wrote:
Vote Official Diplomat for CSM 2015 and I will promise to make WH fun for all parties involved.



I love fun! Especially when I can make it official!
Official Diplomat
Forgotten Godz
#98 - 2014-08-19 01:49:19 UTC
If voted to CSM in 2015 I will have CCP do the following:
Step 1: Adjust the mass of the range you spawn from holes while in a capital 100km from hole
Step 2: Add in a Capital Micro Jump Drive that you can use to get back on the hole
Step 3: ???
Step 4: Profit
The Loot Fairy
The Erzohians
Raravathian Mining and Logistics
#99 - 2014-08-19 01:52:33 UTC
Official Diplomat wrote:
If voted to CSM in 2015 I will have CCP do the following:
Step 1: Adjust the mass of the range you spawn from holes while in a capital 100km from hole
Step 2: Add in a Capital Micro Jump Drive that you can use to get back on the hole
Step 3: ???
Step 4: Profit



I endorse this man! For good loot in your future endeavours, vote Official Diplomat CSM 2015!
Erufen Rito
The Dark Space Initiative
Scary Wormhole People
#100 - 2014-08-19 01:53:22 UTC
Official Diplomat wrote:
If voted to CSM in 2015 I will have CCP do the following:
Step 1: Adjust the mass of the range you spawn from holes while in a capital 100km from hole
Step 2: Add in a Capital Micro Jump Drive that you can use to get back on the hole
Step 3: ???
Step 4: Profit

make the bpc droppable only from sleeper talochans.

This is as nice as I get. Best quote ever https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4137165#post4137165