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Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#121 - 2014-08-18 10:29:25 UTC
Gully Alex Foyle wrote:
Benny Ohu wrote:
a flawed premise, that blink credits can be equated to a real ingame isk value.
I'm honestly unfamiliar with Somer Blink mechanics:

. Don't you need ISK to buy these credits?

. Can't you convert the credits back to ISK? If not, how do you 'win' ISK?

yes, you use isk to buy credit
no, you can't convert credit to isk, you need to win a lottery using the credit. it's reckoned that somer pays out eighty percent of the isk it makes

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I gave the thread and its sensationalist posters the acknowledgement they deserved. I don't need to explain myself to you though. Who are you that I do?

you entered the thread with fallacious comments and you're continuing to use them. you don't need to explain yourself to anyone... unless you want to be taken seriously.
Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#122 - 2014-08-18 10:45:21 UTC
Thanks, Benny. I need to correct my post then:


'Pure' RMT would be: give me 1$ IRL and I'll give you 45 Million ISK in-game.

This scheme is: give CCP 20$ IRL, give me that PLEX and I'll give you back on average 660 Million ISK (80% of a PLEX's ISK worth + 80% of 45 Mil) instead of just 625 Million ISK (80% of a PLEX's ISK worth). Additionally, CCP will also give 1$ IRL to me! Yay! I'm so smart, you're so dumb!


Hmmm... now my personal verdict (fwiw Big smile) has changed.

This is not RMT, it sounds more like a scam actually.

Make space glamorous! Is EVE dying or not? Ask the EVE-O Death-o-meter!
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#123 - 2014-08-18 10:53:10 UTC
Benny Ohu wrote:
no, you can't convert credit to isk, you need to win a lottery using the credit

And when you can win every single lottery you play, this is a trivial distinction.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#124 - 2014-08-18 11:02:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Gully Alex Foyle wrote:
Thanks, Benny. I need to correct my post then:
No, you had it right the first time. He's describing the actual lottery and the effects of the buy-out margins, not the PLEX buy-back scheme.

Yes, the lottery is a scam. All lotteries are — that's how they make money.
That's something quite separate from the affiliate→credit→buyback→ISK cycle though.
Medalyn Isis
Doomheim
#125 - 2014-08-18 11:09:34 UTC
The more people that buy PLEX the better it is for the game in my opinion. More real money injected into Eve is always a good thing. So personally I can see why CCP would approve of this scheme.

Also anyone can do it if it is legit, so there is no problem.
Vyktor Abyss
Abyss Research
#126 - 2014-08-18 11:09:45 UTC
With all due respect, just don't play blink? Problem solved.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#127 - 2014-08-18 11:13:33 UTC
Vyktor Abyss wrote:
With all due respect, just don't play blink? Problem solved.

That... doesn't solve the problem at all.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Kern Hotha
#128 - 2014-08-18 11:14:37 UTC
I wonder if is there an interested CCP employee with authority to influence this situation who understands why it is ethically wrong to support and encourage this kind of activity. I know of no other game company that shows such favoritism to a group of players who happen to make the game company a bit of extra money. The extra money that your pet gambling operation/PLEX dealer is bringing in should be weighed against what it does to your company's reputation.

We distinguish the excellent man from the common man by saying that the former is the one who makes great demands upon himself, and the latter who makes no demands on himself.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#129 - 2014-08-18 11:15:07 UTC
Vyktor Abyss wrote:
With all due respect, just don't play blink? Problem solved.

Since the problem is with CCP and their preferential treatment, no, that doesn't really solve anything.

Ok, sure, if everyone did it and Somer went out of business so CCP couldn't do it any more, then yes, it would make the problem go away. It's still not really solved, though.
Prince Kobol
#130 - 2014-08-18 11:17:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Prince Kobol
Tippia wrote:
Vyktor Abyss wrote:
With all due respect, just don't play blink? Problem solved.

Since the problem is with CCP and their preferential treatment, no, that doesn't really solve anything.

Ok, sure, if everyone did it and Somer went out of business so CCP couldn't do it any more, then yes, it would make the problem go away. It's still not really solved, though.


Why are CCP showing preferential treatment towards Somer?

Where has it been said that nobody else can do what they are doing?

Unless CCP have told somebody else to stop doing exactly what Somer are doing then no preferential treatment has been show.

By all means accuse CCP of preferential treatment if they are allowing Somer to do something when they have stopped others but if they haven't then you can't claim they are showing preferential treatment.
Hra Neuvosto
Party Cat Enterprises
#131 - 2014-08-18 11:20:17 UTC
The ride never ends
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#132 - 2014-08-18 11:20:55 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
Why are CCP showing preferential treatment towards Somer?
Well, setting the history of the matter aside, we have this interesting deal where somer is being allowed to receive cash in exchange for handing out ISK, something that is generally forbidden.

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Where has it been said that nobody else can do what they are doing?
Fair enough. The only place that suggests anything like that is the Somer website.
Memrox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#133 - 2014-08-18 11:22:49 UTC
The problem is partly down to CCP thinking that Somer doesn't have ulterior motives, where as they see everyone else as RMT insta bans.

One rule for Somer one for the rest of us.

One ring to rule them all..
Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#134 - 2014-08-18 11:25:22 UTC
Tippia, James, I still fail to see the RMT part.

If I want to spend, say, 200$ to get in-game assets:

. CCP gives me 10 PLEX, that I can currently sell in Jita for 7,800 M ISK or so - in-game CASH
. Somer gives me lottery credits worth 8,250 M or so, that I can then expect to convert to in-game CASH at a 80% rate: 6,600 M ISK

Sounds like a lousy deal to me.


If you're saying that Somer is allowed to give in-game incentives to buy PLEX from them while other websites aren't, then I do agree with the 'preferential treatment' part.

Make space glamorous! Is EVE dying or not? Ask the EVE-O Death-o-meter!
Prince Kobol
#135 - 2014-08-18 11:26:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Prince Kobol
Tippia wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:
Why are CCP showing preferential treatment towards Somer?
Well, setting the history of the matter aside, we have this interesting deal where somer is being allowed to receive cash in exchange for handing out ISK, something that is generally forbidden.


No, that is your interpretation of what is happening. If CCP have given this the green light then they do not agree with your interpretation and whether we like it or not this is CCP product and they are judge and jury.

Tippia wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:
Where has it been said that nobody else can do what they are doing?
Fair enough. The only place that suggests anything like that is the Somer website.


Where does it suggest on their website that only they are allowed to do this? I've had a quick look and nowhere can I find anything that even comes close to Somer saying that they are the only people allowed to run this type of incentive scheme.
Prince Kobol
#136 - 2014-08-18 11:29:11 UTC
Memrox wrote:
The problem is partly down to CCP thinking that Somer doesn't have ulterior motives, where as they see everyone else as RMT insta bans.

One rule for Somer one for the rest of us.

One ring to rule them all..



Again, where has it been stated by CCP that only Somer is allowed to run this scheme?

Who else has tried to do this and has been told stop by CCP?

If you do not agree with what somer is doing fine, if you think it is a form of RMT that is also fine, however you can not accuse of CCP having on rule for some and one rule for everybody else until CCP stop somebody else from running the same scheme.
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#137 - 2014-08-18 11:32:39 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Gully Alex Foyle wrote:
Thanks, Benny. I need to correct my post then:
No, you had it right the first time. He's describing the actual lottery and the effects of the buy-out margins, not the PLEX buy-back scheme.

Yes, the lottery is a scam. All lotteries are — that's how they make money.
That's something quite separate from the affiliate→credit→buyback→ISK cycle though.

i'd thought somer's 'plex credit' was used to swap the PLEX for somer isk credit to the value of jita PLEX price plus thirty million. it's actually swapped for actual isk. gosh.
Prince Kobol
#138 - 2014-08-18 11:37:31 UTC
Benny Ohu wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Gully Alex Foyle wrote:
Thanks, Benny. I need to correct my post then:
No, you had it right the first time. He's describing the actual lottery and the effects of the buy-out margins, not the PLEX buy-back scheme.

Yes, the lottery is a scam. All lotteries are — that's how they make money.
That's something quite separate from the affiliate→credit→buyback→ISK cycle though.

i'd thought somer's 'plex credit' was used to swap the PLEX for somer isk credit to the value of jita PLEX price plus thirty million. it's actually swapped for actual isk. gosh.


This is what it is.

1. You visit Somers website and use his referral
2. You purchase plex from Markee Dragon
3. Enter your reference number on Somers Site
4. Redeem your credits
5. Log onto Eve, create a contract making sure that the contract contains the correct amount of PLEX, and that you are requesting the correct amount of money.
6. Receive 830mil isk for each plex
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#139 - 2014-08-18 11:42:06 UTC
Benny Ohu wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Gully Alex Foyle wrote:
Thanks, Benny. I need to correct my post then:
No, you had it right the first time. He's describing the actual lottery and the effects of the buy-out margins, not the PLEX buy-back scheme.

Yes, the lottery is a scam. All lotteries are — that's how they make money.
That's something quite separate from the affiliate→credit→buyback→ISK cycle though.

i'd thought somer's 'plex credit' was used to swap the PLEX for somer isk credit to the value of jita PLEX price plus thirty million. it's actually swapped for actual isk. gosh.

Yeah, I didn't even read anything because I assumed this was just the same **** that they were pulling the last time we had this scandal. This is actually worse.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#140 - 2014-08-18 11:43:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Gully Alex Foyle wrote:
Tippia, James, I still fail to see the RMT part.

If I want to spend, say, 200$ to get in-game assets:

. CCP gives me 10 PLEX, that I can currently sell in Jita for 7,800 M ISK or so - in-game CASH
. Somer gives me lottery credits worth 8,250 M or so, that I can then expect to convert to in-game CASH at a 80% rate: 6,600 M ISK

Sounds like a lousy deal to me.
That's because that's not what is happening.
Instead, compare and contrast these two options:

1. You give CCP $200 and get 10 PLEX in return. You go to the market and sell those for 7.8bn ISK.
2. You use Somer's referral link, spend $200 and get 10 PLEX from the retailer and 10 PLEX credits from Somer. Somer, in turn, gets ~$9 from the retailer. You then hand in the PLEX credits and the PLEX themselves to Somer in exchange for 7.8bn + 450M ISK (directly to your wallet since the PLEX transfer is a standard contract).

Key difference: By using the referral link, you ensure that Somer gets $9 and in exchange you get 450M ISK more than you otherwise would.

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If you're saying that Somer is allowed to give in-game incentives to buy PLEX from them while other websites aren't, then I do agree with the 'preferential treatment' part.
Pretty much.

Prince Kobol wrote:
No, that is your interpretation of what is happening.
It's not so much an interpretation as a matter of fact. It's how the PLEX repurchase system works. If it works otherwise, then Somer (and everyone who has tried it) is lying about how the program works.

The fact that CCP has supposedly given this a green light is the preferential treatment since it would be flagged as blatant RMT otherwise.

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Where does it suggest on their website that only they are allowed to do this?
The part where they say that this has been vetted and cleared by CCP. CCP has been very clear that anyone and everyone caught RMTing will get slapped hard. The Somer statement, if true, means they're not being treated like everyone else.