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DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#41 - 2014-08-18 03:35:54 UTC
Wait so someone buys a plex, then sells it to somer and he gives them more for it... not really sure hows that RMT, just like if i bought a plex and set the price of 1b and some sap bought it off the market.. i think i'm confused. but meh.

If you think it violates the EULA, petition it. CCP are the gods of eve, if they say its fine then well its fine

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Bruce the Baker
Doomheim
#42 - 2014-08-18 03:48:21 UTC
DaReaper wrote:
Wait so someone buys a plex, then sells it to somer and he gives them more for it... not really sure hows that RMT, just like if i bought a plex and set the price of 1b and some sap bought it off the market.. i think i'm confused. but meh.

If you think it violates the EULA, petition it. CCP are the gods of eve, if they say its fine then well its fine

You talk of in game eve mechanics not considering the real life consequence being real life money moving from one eve players account to another.

Playing this game in a certain manner could make others real money (it always could but always against the eula)(now ccp have potentially rubber stamped back door rmt)
Derrick Miles
Death Rabbit Ky Oneida
#43 - 2014-08-18 03:49:12 UTC
DaReaper wrote:
Wait so someone buys a plex, then sells it to somer and he gives them more for it... not really sure hows that RMT, just like if i bought a plex and set the price of 1b and some sap bought it off the market.. i think i'm confused. but meh.

If you think it violates the EULA, petition it. CCP are the gods of eve, if they say its fine then well its fine

The trick is that you have to buy a PLEX from the SOMER affiliate to get the extra isk. So they're making money from the referral and paying you more isk for buying through them.

I can't see CCP letting this one go, but then again the only thing I find consistent about how CCP enforces it's rules is that it's always consistently confusing.
Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#44 - 2014-08-18 03:50:45 UTC
Carmen Electra wrote:
As always, the devil is in the details. This is not cut-and-dried RMT. (Give me $20, I trade you 1b isk in-game). It is indirect and obfuscated. Is there anything stopping others from using this same scheme? Amazon sells plexes. All they need to do is implement a buy-back program, and they'd be doing the same thing as Somer.

Carm, I think it's pretty cut and dried.

Quote:
19.4 Dollars per 1 Billion ISK


I don't know how much more of a blatant EULA violation we can get here..




GOB the Magician wrote:
too big to fail!

This is exactly it.

CCP's policy on RMT is business driven (essentially like all EULA policies). If Somer's visibility is bringing cash to CCP's table, this would be a reason why an exception is made.

There are "haves" and "have-nots" in EVE, just like with anything else.

Joffy Aulx-Gao for CSM. Fix links and OGB. Ban stabs from plexes. Fulfill karmic justice.
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#45 - 2014-08-18 04:12:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Sabriz Adoudel
CCP's stated policy is that anyone involved in RMT selling will be permabanned and anyone involved in RMT buying will be temp banned and have the transactions reversed.

Time to invoke this. No ifs, no buts, buying PLEX for over market rates subject to an out-of-game purchase is RMT, every bit as much as it would be RMT if I said 'give me 200 USD IRL and I'll buy your Tritanium for 10b ISK'.


Petitioned this. "Your support ticket has been submitted, the support ticket tracking id is (intentionally not included)."

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Bruce the Baker
Doomheim
#46 - 2014-08-18 04:23:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Bruce the Baker
After the dust and vampire write offs finances have taken a hit.

The onus is on the books to be balanced.

I'm impartial to somer blink under normal circumstances but I do believe alot is potentially wrong here with the proposed new offerings.

Unless CCP can clarify why Somer Blink are unique with their business model then I assume there will be no eula binding particulars which prevent every other tom, **** and harry doing the same indirect rmt without breaking any rules?
GreenSeed
#47 - 2014-08-18 04:30:30 UTC
if its approved, then its approved, there's nothing to discuss. and nothing to get upset about.

this same ******** discussion happened about 6 years ago with the TS servers and hosting for ISK. now days no one cares about it.

move on.
X ATM092
The Hatchery
RAZOR Alliance
#48 - 2014-08-18 04:35:39 UTC
GreenSeed wrote:
if its approved, then its approved, there's nothing to discuss. and nothing to get upset about.

this same ******** discussion happened about 6 years ago with the TS servers and hosting for ISK. now days no one cares about it.

move on.

If it's approved then it's universally approved and I'll be making an affiliate account.
Doctor Who-Dat
Stuff Direct Holdings Inc
#49 - 2014-08-18 05:00:18 UTC
X ATM092 wrote:
GreenSeed wrote:
if its approved, then its approved, there's nothing to discuss. and nothing to get upset about.

this same ******** discussion happened about 6 years ago with the TS servers and hosting for ISK. now days no one cares about it.

move on.

If it's approved then it's universally approved and I'll be making an affiliate account.


Ditto on this. I think the thinking is that everyone in eve every day chooses to buy/sell items independently of the current market price based on non-market factors.


  • Corp Chat: Hey pal, not using my orca any more - you want to buy it as is, 75% jita?
  • Contract: WTB 2 Plex @ 1.6b (1,600,000m)


GreenSeed
#50 - 2014-08-18 05:04:34 UTC
X ATM092 wrote:
GreenSeed wrote:
if its approved, then its approved, there's nothing to discuss. and nothing to get upset about.

this same ******** discussion happened about 6 years ago with the TS servers and hosting for ISK. now days no one cares about it.

move on.

If it's approved then it's universally approved and I'll be making an affiliate account.

sure, go ahead. just like the 8693845 people who rented vent/TS servers to subrent on eve and two months later 2 providers remained. and now i think there's only one.

welcome to capitalism
Bruce the Baker
Doomheim
#51 - 2014-08-18 05:04:35 UTC
Doctor Who-Dat wrote:
X ATM092 wrote:
GreenSeed wrote:
if its approved, then its approved, there's nothing to discuss. and nothing to get upset about.

this same ******** discussion happened about 6 years ago with the TS servers and hosting for ISK. now days no one cares about it.

move on.

If it's approved then it's universally approved and I'll be making an affiliate account.


Ditto on this. I think the thinking is that everyone in eve every day chooses to buy/sell items independently of the current market price based on non-market factors.


  • Corp Chat: Hey pal, not using my orca any more - you want to buy it as is, 75% jita?
  • Contract: WTB 2 Plex @ 1.6b (1,600,000m)



You seem naive and oblivious to the eula breaking part of this where somebodies bank account outwith CCPs increases during this process.

Garandras
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#52 - 2014-08-18 05:15:09 UTC
really they are only going to profit from people with mad gambling addictions.. who think it is a awesome idea to buy plex to play blink with..

Because when you give the plex to Somerblink, you are receiving Blink credit not actual isk
Qalix
Long Jump.
#53 - 2014-08-18 05:17:29 UTC
X ATM092 wrote:
What it's going to come down to is whether you or I could set up the exact same scheme and do it too. If so then prepare for RMT to become commonplace. If not then CCP need to enforce it across the board.

It's all about squeezing out the last of the $$$ before they turn off the lights. Assuming for a moment that CCP performed a review of this "process" at some point, the underlying conceit could not have escaped their notice.

It's in their interest to sell as many PLEX as possible, whatever the methodology. Who can blame them for succumbing to temptation? They're only human.
Carmen Electra
AlcoDOTTE
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#54 - 2014-08-18 05:19:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Carmen Electra
Sibyyl wrote:
Carmen Electra wrote:
As always, the devil is in the details. This is not cut-and-dried RMT. (Give me $20, I trade you 1b isk in-game). It is indirect and obfuscated. Is there anything stopping others from using this same scheme? Amazon sells plexes. All they need to do is implement a buy-back program, and they'd be doing the same thing as Somer.

Carm, I think it's pretty cut and dried.

Quote:
19.4 Dollars per 1 Billion ISK


I don't know how much more of a blatant EULA violation we can get here..




GOB the Magician wrote:
too big to fail!

This is exactly it.

CCP's policy on RMT is business driven (essentially like all EULA policies). If Somer's visibility is bringing cash to CCP's table, this would be a reason why an exception is made.

There are "haves" and "have-nots" in EVE, just like with anything else.


Sib, I think the anti-RMT crusaders are being a bit sensationalistic by throwing out exchange rates like $19 per 1B. I'll admit I'm playing devil's advocate here. I don't personally know enough about the issue to take a stance on it. I'm certainly not qualified to argue the effect RMT has on the game on a macro scale.

However, I do personally see a difference between earning affiliate dollars by incentivizing your visitors to buy products using your referral links and selling 1b ISK on eBay for $20.

Bacon makes us stronger
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#55 - 2014-08-18 05:28:42 UTC
I can't really think of a reason how this could have gone so wrong again, after the professional management of the situation last time. I mean CCP Dolan made an official thread HALF A YEAR after the incident and silence from CCP, with the promise that the feedback on this thread would be used to form a policy about how CCP handles their relationship with third-party sites. Surely this policy exists by now after HALF A YEAR of feedback collection and processing?! Doesn't it?

Evil RatKid
Doctor Who-Dat
Stuff Direct Holdings Inc
#56 - 2014-08-18 05:31:50 UTC
Bruce the Baker wrote:
Doctor Who-Dat wrote:
X ATM092 wrote:
GreenSeed wrote:
if its approved, then its approved, there's nothing to discuss. and nothing to get upset about.

this same ******** discussion happened about 6 years ago with the TS servers and hosting for ISK. now days no one cares about it.

move on.

If it's approved then it's universally approved and I'll be making an affiliate account.


Ditto on this. I think the thinking is that everyone in eve every day chooses to buy/sell items independently of the current market price based on non-market factors.


  • Corp Chat: Hey pal, not using my orca any more - you want to buy it as is, 75% jita?
  • Contract: WTB 2 Plex @ 1.6b (1,600,000m)



You seem naive and oblivious to the eula breaking part of this where somebodies bank account outwith CCPs increases during this process.



So in game activity enriches someone who is not CCP out of game and you think this is new? Please, tell me more of how game streams with ads or articles written for isk don't meet your stringent "rmt" criteria.

To say someone who has a differing opinion than you is naive or oblivious is pretty trollish in its own right.

If I remember correctly from the FF econ panel, people continued to buy plex at pretty normal pace, which was after the "cut-off" date for Blink (or anyone elses) GTC/Plex purchase bonus, showing the influx of plex was independent of any bonus from anyone. To imply that the flow of plex was dependent on this at all is what's naive.
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#57 - 2014-08-18 05:32:33 UTC
GreenSeed wrote:
X ATM092 wrote:
GreenSeed wrote:
if its approved, then its approved, there's nothing to discuss. and nothing to get upset about.

this same ******** discussion happened about 6 years ago with the TS servers and hosting for ISK. now days no one cares about it.

move on.

If it's approved then it's universally approved and I'll be making an affiliate account.

sure, go ahead. just like the 8693845 people who rented vent/TS servers to subrent on eve and two months later 2 providers remained. and now i think there's only one.

welcome to capitalism



X ATM is pretty well known as a multi-trillionaire market actor in EVE.

If this is universally approved, he could well make USD 50k (or much more, if he's worth many trillions, not just a couple) offering the same or similar RMT deals as Somer here.


The TS servers offered a way to dodge prohibitions against RMT ISK buying. The prohibitions against RMT selling are much more significant and much more important, as while RMT buyers are cheats and deserve derision, RMT sellers often do much more disruptive things, like credit card fraud, account hacking, and widespread botting.

I support the New Order and CODE. alliance. www.minerbumping.com
Belt Scout
Thread Lockaholics Anonymous
#58 - 2014-08-18 05:33:27 UTC
What's this thread have to do with nerfing sov?

.

They say most of your brain shuts down on the EvE forums. All but the impatient side, and the sarcastic side. No wonder I'm still awake.

**This IS my main so STFU.
Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#59 - 2014-08-18 05:41:16 UTC
Carmen Electra wrote:
Sib, I think the anti-RMT crusaders are being a bit sensationalistic by throwing out exchange rates like $19 per 1B. I'll admit I'm playing devil's advocate here. I don't personally know enough about the issue to take a stance on it. I'm certainly not qualified to argue the effect RMT has on the game on a macro scale.

However, I do personally see a difference between earning affiliate dollars by incentivizing your visitors to buy products using your referral links and selling 1b ISK on eBay for $20.

Hi Carm,

The math is included in the Reddit link and the poster mentions that their estimate is conservative ($0.875 per PLEX referral). Do you think this is an exaggerated amount?


You're saying you "see a difference", but can you tell me what the difference is exactly? Somer is paying 45m ISK and he gets $0.875 as a result. Scale that to 1b ISK and he's getting $19.

What exactly is the difference between Somer's RMT, and the RMT some sap who gets banned is doing?


I see no fundamental difference, except that Somer's volume may be considered a nice windfall for CCP's PLEX sales.

Joffy Aulx-Gao for CSM. Fix links and OGB. Ban stabs from plexes. Fulfill karmic justice.
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#60 - 2014-08-18 05:49:12 UTC
Don't worry guys, I have inside info that this will be fixed next update.

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