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Lothras Andastar
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2014-08-18 01:55:37 UTC
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode wrote:
I have removed a post discussing moderation.

In addition, we're going to leave this thread open so there's one thread about this supposed rumor about the issue. Please follow all the usual rules when posting. Thanks.

Rumour?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2y8Sx4B2Sk

Because the Legacy Code has too much Psssssssssssssssh, nothing will ever get fixed until CCP stop wasting money on failed sparkle MMOs and instead rewrite the entire backend of EvE from scratch.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#22 - 2014-08-18 01:58:06 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Mara Tessidar wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Are they doing anything differently now compared to the variant that got smacked down a year ago?

Short version: No

Longer version: Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

Then report them for RMT and refer to the previous ruling.

I petitioned the original scheme last October and the reply I got was, to paraphrase, that SOMER has not violated the EULA in any way, to their knowledge.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Lothras Andastar
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2014-08-18 01:59:22 UTC
Simple solution is to get someone else to do it and see how long it takes for them to get banned. I should start a pool. I call dibs on 2 days.

Because the Legacy Code has too much Psssssssssssssssh, nothing will ever get fixed until CCP stop wasting money on failed sparkle MMOs and instead rewrite the entire backend of EvE from scratch.
Ohkewl
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#24 - 2014-08-18 02:03:56 UTC
Xinivrae wrote:
Torneach Structor wrote:
Bruce the Baker wrote:

You seem confused as to the fact i am talking about the fact that somer will as of November start making rl money from the virtual currency that is isk


Explanation needed.

Links too.

Here's a thing.
Right now it looks like it's just somer claiming that this is all CCP approved. Apparently, The CSM is aware of it and talking to CCP about it.



So tell me, how is this any different then a website like, lets say TM.com, paying their writers in ISK, while the owner of said website makes real money off it?
Thats RMT in its purest form, yet no complaints about that.
GOB the Magician
Enlightened Industries
Goonswarm Federation
#25 - 2014-08-18 02:07:47 UTC
Ohkewl wrote:
Xinivrae wrote:
Torneach Structor wrote:
Bruce the Baker wrote:

You seem confused as to the fact i am talking about the fact that somer will as of November start making rl money from the virtual currency that is isk


Explanation needed.

Links too.

Here's a thing.
Right now it looks like it's just somer claiming that this is all CCP approved. Apparently, The CSM is aware of it and talking to CCP about it.



So tell me, how is this any different then a website like, lets say TM.com, paying their writers in ISK, while the owner of said website makes real money off it?
Thats RMT in its purest form, yet no complaints about that.


It's completely different. If you put as much effort into reading what you quoted instead of creating an alt just to post in this thread, you'd see that.

Then again, never miss out on a grrrrr gooons opportunity :)
Boom Boom Longtime
EVE Corporation 6908469858
Heroes and Villains.
#26 - 2014-08-18 02:12:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Boom Boom Longtime
I feel sorry for the other third party entities who actually give back to the community that don't receive the same *perceived* favouritism from CCP as Somer Blink do.

Concord Approved Trader
Ohkewl
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#27 - 2014-08-18 02:15:31 UTC
GOB the Magician wrote:
Ohkewl wrote:
Xinivrae wrote:
Torneach Structor wrote:
Bruce the Baker wrote:

You seem confused as to the fact i am talking about the fact that somer will as of November start making rl money from the virtual currency that is isk


Explanation needed.

Links too.

Here's a thing.
Right now it looks like it's just somer claiming that this is all CCP approved. Apparently, The CSM is aware of it and talking to CCP about it.



So tell me, how is this any different then a website like, lets say TM.com, paying their writers in ISK, while the owner of said website makes real money off it?
Thats RMT in its purest form, yet no complaints about that.


It's completely different. If you put as much effort into reading what you quoted instead of creating an alt just to post in this thread, you'd see that.

Then again, never miss out on a grrrrr gooons opportunity :)



thanks for the explanation, oh wait..... its a bit hard ofc when its the same thing, lets start some namecalling, that always works
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#28 - 2014-08-18 02:15:47 UTC
Ohkewl wrote:
Thats RMT in its purest form, yet no complaints about that.

Clearly you've never been to /r/EVE.

And no, it's not RMT.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#29 - 2014-08-18 02:16:40 UTC
Boom Boom Longtime wrote:
I feel sorry for the other third party entities who actually give back to the community that don't receive the same *perceived* favouritism from CCP as Somer Blink do.

You mean the same actual favoritism?

Let's not forget who was gifted with rare ships on more than one occasion.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Boom Boom Longtime
EVE Corporation 6908469858
Heroes and Villains.
#30 - 2014-08-18 02:19:53 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Boom Boom Longtime wrote:
I feel sorry for the other third party entities who actually give back to the community that don't receive the same *perceived* favouritism from CCP as Somer Blink do.

You mean the same actual favoritism?

Let's not forget who was gifted with rare ships on more than one occasion.

I've not forgotten. The fact that game makers "gift" players free **** in the first place while others, err get nothing. Totally legit, no sarcasm.

Concord Approved Trader
Carmen Electra
AlcoDOTTE
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#31 - 2014-08-18 02:21:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Carmen Electra
I had to read the Reddit post a couple of times before I understood how the scheme worked. Pretty clever, Somer.

EDIT:

1. 3rd party PLEX sales = legit.
2. Affiliate/referral programs = legit.
3. Buying PLEX in exchange for isk = legit.

Use #3 to provide a sort of artificial incentive for #1 and #2 = legit-ish RMT.

I'm not even mad. That's amazing.

Bacon makes us stronger
Bruce the Baker
Doomheim
#32 - 2014-08-18 02:28:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Bruce the Baker
the crux under the current business model is that ccp are empowering an external entity to prosper legally enabling actual in game currency conversion to real life currency while telling the rest of the eve community that this is against the eula while allowing them to do so?
Carmen Electra
AlcoDOTTE
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#33 - 2014-08-18 02:31:37 UTC
Bruce the Baker wrote:
the crux being under the current business model ccp are empowering an external entity to prosper legally enabling actual in game currency conversion to real life currency while telling the rest of the community that is against the eula


As always, the devil is in the details. This is not cut-and-dried RMT. (Give me $20, I trade you 1b isk in-game). It is indirect and obfuscated. Is there anything stopping others from using this same scheme? Amazon sells plexes. All they need to do is implement a buy-back program, and they'd be doing the same thing as Somer.

Bacon makes us stronger
X ATM092
The Hatchery
RAZOR Alliance
#34 - 2014-08-18 02:34:19 UTC
What it's going to come down to is whether you or I could set up the exact same scheme and do it too. If so then prepare for RMT to become commonplace. If not then CCP need to enforce it across the board.
Carmen Electra
AlcoDOTTE
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#35 - 2014-08-18 02:39:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Carmen Electra
X ATM092 wrote:
What it's going to come down to is whether you or I could set up the exact same scheme and do it too. If so then prepare for RMT to become commonplace. If not then CCP need to enforce it across the board.

Actually, this would be extremely interesting. Probably not feasible for many would-be isk farmers to incur the overhead necessary for something like this. But just for kicks, imagine a 3rd party website dedicated to showing you which 3rd party will buy back your PLEX for the most ISK.

It'd be like Jita station trading IRL. isk-ception.

Shocked

EDIT:

If there were enough people doing this, the competition between 3rd parties would heat up and the margins would get whittled down pretty quickly. Twisted

Bacon makes us stronger
Bruce the Baker
Doomheim
#36 - 2014-08-18 02:40:48 UTC
X ATM092 wrote:
What it's going to come down to is whether you or I could set up the exact same scheme and do it too. If so then prepare for RMT to become commonplace. If not then CCP need to enforce it across the board.

If somer have been approved to do it by CCP then i can see no reason why they would object to the rest of the community operating under the same provisos or considerations unless they weren't impartial to such matters i guess.
Bruce the Baker
Doomheim
#37 - 2014-08-18 02:53:44 UTC
Things never change. CCP seem to continue to make bad decsions that margionalise the community and benefit the few.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#38 - 2014-08-18 02:59:19 UTC
Boom Boom Longtime wrote:
I've not forgotten. The fact that game makers "gift" players free **** in the first place while others, err get nothing. Totally legit, no sarcasm.

It's not "free ****" if it has significant in-game value. That's why it was favoritism.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Boom Boom Longtime
EVE Corporation 6908469858
Heroes and Villains.
#39 - 2014-08-18 03:10:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Boom Boom Longtime
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Boom Boom Longtime wrote:
I've not forgotten. The fact that game makers "gift" players free **** in the first place while others, err get nothing. Totally legit, no sarcasm.

It's not "free ****" if it has significant in-game value. That's why it was favoritism.

I concur. Then again i've never been privvy to free stuff from game developers nor favouritism.

Eve devs informing an eve player he can milk other eve subscribed players for real life cash as i understand the agreed blink model :sigh:

Somer Blink can rmt but others cant?

Something stinks, just saying

Concord Approved Trader
Caviar Liberta
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#40 - 2014-08-18 03:27:02 UTC
GOB the Magician wrote:
Ohkewl wrote:
Xinivrae wrote:
Torneach Structor wrote:
Bruce the Baker wrote:

You seem confused as to the fact i am talking about the fact that somer will as of November start making rl money from the virtual currency that is isk


Explanation needed.

Links too.

Here's a thing.
Right now it looks like it's just somer claiming that this is all CCP approved. Apparently, The CSM is aware of it and talking to CCP about it.



So tell me, how is this any different then a website like, lets say TM.com, paying their writers in ISK, while the owner of said website makes real money off it?
Thats RMT in its purest form, yet no complaints about that.


It's completely different. If you put as much effort into reading what you quoted instead of creating an alt just to post in this thread, you'd see that.

Then again, never miss out on a grrrrr gooons opportunity :)


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