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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#281 - 2014-08-18 23:10:53 UTC
Edward Olmops wrote:
Because
A) technically no one except Somer and Marquee Dragon will ever know whether Somer got indeed real money. It could be sort of a RMT-like scheme, but no one can prove it.
B) if it is designed to trade ISK for real cash, then it's very carefully designed to NOT violate the EULA, because each individual step of the whole thing is perfectly ok.
You advertise someone else's website.
You pay more than market value in ISK for some PLEXes. What's wrong with that? (a LOT of people advertises this in Jita Local :-D)
A. We know they do, that's how the affiliate program works. It's not a secret.
B. All they've done is add extra steps to make a convoluted method of trading isk for cash. It doesn't stop it being RMT, and if it did, it would just open up the floor to a flood of isk sellers. This was demonstrated last time they did it. If you need to see a good explanation of what they do, you can do so here.

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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#282 - 2014-08-18 23:17:28 UTC
What's this like once a year now?

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Alastair Ormand
Mine all the things
#283 - 2014-08-18 23:19:55 UTC
People are earning an income by selling stuff? Shocking! We can't have this!!!!

I discourage running with scissors.
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#284 - 2014-08-18 23:23:53 UTC
Edward Olmops wrote:
Tiberius Zol wrote:
I had in mind that everyone, involved in rmt would be banned. The active part permanent, the passive for just a time.
How can it be, that Somer is doing this the second time and it's still one of the richest (in my mind) player here?
Other player involved in some smaller offense were banned for lifetime and lost all their stuff forever..

Why the double standards?



Because
A) technically no one except Somer and Marquee Dragon will ever know whether Somer got indeed real money. It could be sort of a RMT-like scheme, but no one can prove it.
B) if it is designed to trade ISK for real cash, then it's very carefully designed to NOT violate the EULA, because each individual step of the whole thing is perfectly ok.
You advertise someone else's website.
You pay more than market value in ISK for some PLEXes. What's wrong with that? (a LOT of people advertises this in Jita Local :-D)


B) is not accurate.

If I buy a single unit of Tritanium from someone for ten billion ISK, and I select who to buy that Tritanium from based upon RL money changing hands, I'm an RMT seller and my account should be permabanned.

No ifs, no buts.

Jita trade offers (both 'honest' bad deals and 'dishonest' actual scams) do not involve RL currency changing hands, or the provision of RL services*.




* - there are exceptions for some RL services that are EVE-related like killboard hosting; if it's not a KB hosting, voice comms server, website hosting or EVE news article writing, ask GM permission before even discussing it with a client.

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Ireland VonVicious
Vicious Trading Company
#285 - 2014-08-18 23:29:12 UTC
Down with Somer Blink.

Bunch of scammers.
CCP Falcon
#286 - 2014-08-18 23:45:15 UTC
Hey guys,

Cheers for the patience on this.

I've dropped a new thread on general discusion here, with a prelimiary response in it. I can't give a huge amount of detail right now, but hopefully we'll have something more for you soon.

Locking this thread to take discussion over to the announcement thread.

Cheers,

- F

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