Warfare & Tactics

sorry for my bad english

I.M.H.O. FW mechnaics were broken! (since ~2011)

actual chance to fix it:
around ten amarr players (with ~50+ alts) stop all deplexing activities.
near all amarr systems will fall within days,
thereby ccp reacting with emergency patch within weeks (enogh tears ).

my simple long-term considerations how a attractive war zone can be ensured (shoud be the prior. one goal of FW)

1. 180° turnaround of LP payout mechanic!

higher FW zone controle means lower LP payout for plexing!
sounds broken - but it makes sense ;)

the FW players (corps & allis) will have fights for their own strategically important systems.
important may be FW mission agents, entrance of systemclusters, local faction drops (like huola) or even some kind of rollplay > thers still possibility of total warzone control (good for the ego of a faction).
deplesxing had to be done by opponents who where are interested in system and not by farming chars (who gives near zero fights and switch the faction all the time. a lot were active in near extintct time zones (EVE it self, even FW had larger active player base in the past, time to react ccp!)).
   

2. no tier level for FW missions (works in the past and woud still working)

a result woud be calculable possibility to made some LPs (ISK) not risk free through needed traveling.
with some overhauling of missions (eg. its shoud be impossible for all factions! to run level 4 with cheap, low risk steahlbombers) this woud
provides some intressting targets (ISK wise!) for local opponent FW player or local pirats!


one thing for sure, some small fixes dosent fix broken FW!
theres no need to promote 23/7 psychopath plexing-deplexing "war zone" (the mechanics since years!)
the mechanics shoud be for average player (or at least good health compatible) to provides GF (solo, small and mid-scale pew pew fight for fun)

Plexing itself is poor game game design.


FW should only give LPs for enemy ship and pod kills.


Missions should give VP. So missions would be the plexes of today.


The game has to be made that way that actual playing is the goal - not alts orbiting buttons.


FW space is a mix of low sec and null sex.


Titan brigdes have to be made not possible. Titan boosts should work.


There has to be a jump Inhibitor - system wide. Why make a space for newbees when PL can titan drop you with caps? JF get more range due to less fuel consumption (Hyperion) and can bypass the warzones.


I would allow bombs and made all secutriy status stiff not working - lke in null and wh space.


The faction police should attack war targets.


It would be great fun to make bubbles work - say in a system your faction holds.


All militas fight all militas.


Make FW space hellish and violent.

Medal?

1) No argument, though the need for them is far less with the drastic oplexing nerf.

2) Already implemented, its called the FW window.

Thanks

Ive been advocating timer rollbacks for longer than you have. Unlike you, i know what problem they were intended to fix. That problem has been resolved in an alternative way.

As i have said before, d-plex alts ensure all occupancy is a pvp effort. Depending on which system is being attacked dictates how blobby the response is. For example, mantenault hs changed hands quite frequently in recent months under the constant pressure of a small gang of russian squids (who do fight, before you make another uninformed assumption) living out of a pos. These same russians would have no effect if they tried the same thing in say, nenna.

As for intel, i can precisely tell you where plexes azre being run, and im not even logged in. Hysera, Mantenalt, Serenemi and Hasama.

Ill now let you get back to posting complete nonsense, thanks.

Timer rollbacks will not kill d-plexing alts. Intel on where alts are dplexing will not kill alts.

Only these mythical pilots who are interested in chasing non combat alts in systems they dont care about, kill dplexing alts. Something that they can do right now.

The way to nullify dplexing alts in a system or area, is for pilots to actively start caring about that system or area and focus pilots there. Once that happens dplexing alts are useless and a pvp response is triggered. Size of the response would normally be dependant on the location of the system and its strategic value. The winner would likely be the side who cares about it more, al things being equal.

Those 2 measure will kill them off.

But even if I can't convince you of that you should at least agree that both measures will make them less effective relative to the pvper who plexes. Everytime the rabbit alt warps out his time will be lost. He can go a system or 2 over to plex but that will do him no good because the enemy will know right where he is.




No its the opposite. People who are not interested in chasing noncombat alts want this change. That way the warzone will have no, or at least fewer, non combat plexing alts. You are the one who is defending thealts rabbit plexing. That explains why you are against measures that would make it harder to do rabbit plexing.




Yeah sorry not very many pvpers are interested in chasing rabbit alts when there are no timer rollbacks and the rabbits can just go a few jumps and start plexing without any war targets even knowing.


You might like to do that but most people see this gameplay as not worth their time.

how would it make plexing suck? is this because to you, plexing is running from everything and receiving LP for it?

If you want someone to attack you while you're in a plex, then go plex a home system. If you want pirates to attack you while you're in a plex go plex Kinakka. If your whole goal of this timer rollback campaign is to penalize FW pilots who don't want to have to fight neutrals for control of plexes then I'd have to say your motivation is in the wrong place. When a neutral pilot is in a plex the timer does not count down because that pilot is not aligned with either milita and as such has no impact on warzone control. This makes sense, considering that this pilot has chosen not to participate in FW. If the timer starts to roll back right away this neutral pilot is now actively impacting the warzone in favour of stability, this doesn't make sense considering that this pilot has chosen not to participate in FW and thus have no impact on the region.

Now, if you consider the suggested idea of a delay on a time rollback you have a happy middle-ground (however, I still feel that all timer roll backs should be done by FW pilots and not FW mechanics).

First, let me clarify something; if someone is running a plex in a system you don't want them to run a plex in and they run away from you, jump out two systems to sit in a plex there - mission accomplished. You have successfully defended your target system, now defend the plex from any enemies who may come and take it. If you also want to defend the second system your foe has fled to, you now must decide, "Do I hold here to protect this system, chase after my prey, or get my corporation/alliance involved in defending our space?" Intel, timer rollbacks and combat are all triggered by pilots. Pilots can tell you what they see in systems you're not in, pilots will roll timers back and eventually close plexes, and pilots will attack you or defend against you taking those plexes.

Now back to the rollback compromise. If you chase someone out of a plex and he runs two systems over to run another plex the prey plexer must then sit in the new plex for X minutes. He has to consider, however, that after Y minutes the timer in the first plex he was in is going to start to tick up (because for some reason he assumes/knows the guy who chased him off wont capture plexes because ~reasons~) which means he needs to decide is it worth it to run this timer and hope no one comes for him, or should he try and get back into the first plex he was in? See win-win. Your presence frustrates your foe's ability to contest your system, and you apparently only have to occasionally undock to shoo away the plexers in your system. Because we couldn't have you spin the button for the 10-20 minutes it would take to close the plex.

So, I'm still left a little confused. Why do we need timer rollbacks again?

Things should be changed because reasons.