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Ice, and ISboxer 20+ Man fleets.

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Lilly Naari
Enclave Security Forces
#1 - 2014-08-16 02:21:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Lilly Naari
With the current ice system, an IS boxer 20 man fleet (which seem to be in every single system with ice in it) can strip the belt in less then 10 - 15 minuets, meaning no one else can get any ice, or very little of it.

Some might say gank them, well that would be a great idea except they are now using skiffs with larger tanks then battleships.

Now while I am fine with 2-5 people ISboxing, and mining, I think that "Due to the low quantity of ice in each spawn" in each belt something needs to be done.

Suggestions:

1.) Remove the Ice belt spawn timer.

2.) Put more Ice in the Ice Belts.

3.) Limit the amount of accounts you can have logged in from a single machine/Ip at the same time (10 maybe?)

4.) Go back to the stationary Belt system.

5.) 1+2

6.) 1+2+3

Anything else anyone suggest which solves this issue. I was hoping this would be addressed in the Industry update this summer but it wasn't.
Iain Cariaba
#2 - 2014-08-16 16:50:19 UTC
Lilly Naari wrote:
Carebear whine followed by bad ideas.

Not every ice site in highsec is full of isboxer fleets. Get away from the trade hubs and major trade routes and you'll find your ice.
Wardec them if they're not in npc corp, or report them to the nearest CODE. agent if they are.
Stop mining ice and go do something else to make isk.


Bottom line, this problem is your problem. You do something about it.

Don't know why I waste my time with these posts. Not like your going to suddenly grow a pair and actually get that first killmail. You just want CCP to fix your imaginary problem for you.
Lilly Naari
Enclave Security Forces
#3 - 2014-08-16 17:32:05 UTC
Iain Cariaba wrote:
Lilly Naari wrote:
Carebear whine followed by bad ideas.

Not every ice site in highsec is full of isboxer fleets. Get away from the trade hubs and major trade routes and you'll find your ice.
Wardec them if they're not in npc corp, or report them to the nearest CODE. agent if they are.
Stop mining ice and go do something else to make isk.


Bottom line, this problem is your problem. You do something about it.

Don't know why I waste my time with these posts. Not like your going to suddenly grow a pair and actually get that first killmail. You just want CCP to fix your imaginary problem for you.



Actually My main probably has more killmails then you do. I'm 5 year 0.0 Veteran, 2 year WH veteran, and one of the Veterans from the Bob/Tri war during Trinity.

A problem is a problem. And many as individuals do not have the resources to gank a 20+ man fleet of ISBoxing Skiffs. Many others do not visit these forums and have no idea who code is or how to contact them.


For a blanket issue that permeates the EvE Universe, you need a blanket solution. Not a pinprick here and there. You need a solution that will FORCE them to stop. Not simply inconvenience them for a few hours.

And in case your wondering if you gank their fleet they simply go buy an entire new one, an ISboxer ICE fleet makes upwords of 20-30 Billion per day with current Isotopes prices. You ganking them only makes them laugh and shake off what amounts to a tickle. This is not an issue that can be solved by force of action in game randomly with the occasional gank.

Unfortunately it is too big and must be delt with at the source. Which is an individuals ability to connect that many clients from a single IP. CCP already restricts your connections if you have a trial account active, so this is easily doable.
Iain Cariaba
#4 - 2014-08-16 19:03:33 UTC
Lilly Naari wrote:
Actually My main probably has more killmails then you do. I'm 5 year 0.0 Veteran, 2 year WH veteran, and one of the Veterans from the Bob/Tri war during Trinity.

Considering your inability to solve this problem or to find people to help you solve this problem without crying on forums, I'm going to call bull**** on this one. Post with main, or you're just who you appear to be.

Lilly Naari wrote:
A problem is a problem. And many as individuals do not have the resources to gank a 20+ man fleet of ISBoxing Skiffs. Many others do not visit these forums and have no idea who code is or how to contact them.

I have it on good authority that 2 Oracles can take out a Skiff. Surely someone with all your experience can find enough people to gank a Skiff fleet.

Lilly Naari wrote:
For a blanket issue that permeates the EvE Universe, you need a blanket solution. Not a pinprick here and there. You need a solution that will FORCE them to stop. Not simply inconvenience them for a few hours.

As I see ice fields in highsec empty of miners, not to mention all the ones in null that you aparently don't have as much experience with as you claimed prior, this isn't a problem in need of a blanket solution. What you are asking for is for CCP to forcibly reduce another player's ability to make isk, for no reason other than it cuts into how much isk you can make.

Lilly Naari wrote:
And in case your wondering if you gank their fleet they simply go buy an entire new one, an ISboxer ICE fleet makes upwords of 20-30 Billion per day with current Isotopes prices. You ganking them only makes them laugh and shake off what amounts to a tickle. This is not an issue that can be solved by force of action in game randomly with the occasional gank.

So do it repeatedly. Their income will drop drastically if they have to stop mining and buy new skiffs a couple times a day. You were able to come up with an arbitrary number for how much they can make in a day, but that assumes they can mine all day. If there is enough ice for them to mine for 23.5 hours, then why aren't you in there mining alongside them. Again, you asking for dev intervention in what is a personal probllem.

Lilly Naari wrote:
Unfortunately it is too big and must be delt with at the source. Which is an individuals ability to connect that many clients from a single IP. CCP already restricts your connections if you have a trial account active, so this is easily doable.

How can a localized issue in one small section of the available game play on this game be so big you must attempt to force an entire segment of the playerbase, that spans all the different activities, to change their play style simply because you can't think of another way to make isk, even with all that experience you aledgedly have?
Maria Dragoon
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2014-08-16 19:12:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Maria Dragoon
Lilly Naari wrote:
Iain Cariaba wrote:
Lilly Naari wrote:
Carebear whine followed by bad ideas.

Not every ice site in highsec is full of isboxer fleets. Get away from the trade hubs and major trade routes and you'll find your ice.
Wardec them if they're not in npc corp, or report them to the nearest CODE. agent if they are.
Stop mining ice and go do something else to make isk.


Bottom line, this problem is your problem. You do something about it.

Don't know why I waste my time with these posts. Not like your going to suddenly grow a pair and actually get that first killmail. You just want CCP to fix your imaginary problem for you.



Actually My main probably has more killmails then you do. I'm 5 year 0.0 Veteran, 2 year WH veteran, and one of the Veterans from the Bob/Tri war during Trinity.

A problem is a problem. And many as individuals do not have the resources to gank a 20+ man fleet of ISBoxing Skiffs. Many others do not visit these forums and have no idea who code is or how to contact them.


For a blanket issue that permeates the EvE Universe, you need a blanket solution. Not a pinprick here and there. You need a solution that will FORCE them to stop. Not simply inconvenience them for a few hours.

And in case your wondering if you gank their fleet they simply go buy an entire new one, an ISboxer ICE fleet makes upwords of 20-30 Billion per day with current Isotopes prices. You ganking them only makes them laugh and shake off what amounts to a tickle. This is not an issue that can be solved by force of action in game randomly with the occasional gank.

Unfortunately it is too big and must be delt with at the source. Which is an individuals ability to connect that many clients from a single IP. CCP already restricts your connections if you have a trial account active, so this is easily doable.



Ummm, hmmm... I was thinking about answering this one nicely, but I really can't... So, basically you are a bitter vet that can't handle someone stepping on your profit margins? Mmm, maybe you should find ways to step on their pofit margins instead of whining on the forums?

Mmmm, I would like to get where these numbers are coming from that you KNOW said multi-boxer is making 20-30 billion isk a day, do you have proof of this? See, the problem we are having with people making "Please ban multi-boxing software like IsBoxer" Is that, that all it is, is a whine thread, people fail to provide proof that they are gaining an unfair advantage over other players.

I mean, if you have proof, true numbers, statistics, screen shots, and ectra, then you may have a working case for you.... However if you don't have these proof, well, you are sorta-S.O.L.

And this is how the thread will go about, you will whine, other people will join your whining, and then others will join in to whine back. Then this thread will become nothing more then a whine thread, till at some point people get bored and stop whining on this thread and make a new thread with their own whine....

So.... If you want to build a strong case vs something, make sure you bring your proof at the start.... "Claiming you are a 5 year vet experience so what I say is right" has the same meaning as me making a claim that my own bitter vet experience makes demands that all neutral objects be protected by concord once again. And they take away that stupid fing safety button so I can truely can-flip gank noobs again.

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Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#6 - 2014-08-17 17:49:57 UTC
Remove Ice from highsec, problem solved.

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Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#7 - 2014-08-17 17:50:57 UTC
Lilly Naari wrote:
Actually My main probably has more killmails then you do. I'm 5 year 0.0 Veteran, 2 year WH veteran, and one of the Veterans from the Bob/Tri war during Trinity.


A lot of good that did you.

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#8 - 2014-08-18 00:09:58 UTC
While I don't think ISBoxer is an issue (like at all), I think ice spawns could be changed slightly to be a bit more entertaining, and a side effect would be marginally decreasing the effectiveness of large isboxer fleets. The idea would be to randomly spawn the ice belts, instead of them being located in the same system every time. The timers would remain the same just the anomaly would spawn somewhere random within the regions of that sec status that contain that type of ice. So a Caldari ice in Otela might be depleted and respawn in Ekura (after the 4 hour timer). The amount of ice in the anomaly would vary based on security status of the system.

I think that would make ice mining a little more involved, a little less predictable, would create variance in supply (due to the security status affecting the total volume), and as a side effect would make it harder for the larger multiboxers, as they would need to move around a massive fleet if they wanted to chase ice (which is not as easy as you might think).

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TSOE Consortium
#9 - 2014-08-18 11:36:15 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
While I don't think ISBoxer is an issue (like at all), I think ice spawns could be changed slightly to be a bit more entertaining, and a side effect would be marginally decreasing the effectiveness of large isboxer fleets. The idea would be to randomly spawn the ice belts, instead of them being located in the same system every time. The timers would remain the same just the anomaly would spawn somewhere random within the regions of that sec status that contain that type of ice. So a Caldari ice in Otela might be depleted and respawn in Ekura (after the 4 hour timer). The amount of ice in the anomaly would vary based on security status of the system.

I think that would make ice mining a little more involved, a little less predictable, would create variance in supply (due to the security status affecting the total volume), and as a side effect would make it harder for the larger multiboxers, as they would need to move around a massive fleet if they wanted to chase ice (which is not as easy as you might think).


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ISD Alliance
#10 - 2014-08-18 12:24:25 UTC
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