Player Features and Ideas Discussion

So it all comes out as even numbers after skills and boosters and so on? Gotta love the bass-ackwards nature of the stats then.


So.... from one end of a belt to the other. interesting. and ends up with a trivial cap cost for the mining lasers @ 1.666 cap/s, which is only about 3x a zero skill, unlinked strip miner 1s cap/s

So, some horrible mess of non-rational decimals as the base stats? hmm.

So..... it mines almost twice as fast as a max skill hulk with implants but no links per laser. wow.


So, a third single purpose, only on this ship module is needed to use the second special snowflake module? Wow. what a concept. It needs a minimum of 3 modules to be introduced, the BPs seeded and so on, for a single purpose ship.

Now if only we had seen some sort of stats for the base hull to compare these to.


So it needs max skills that you already should have as a miner, and on 1 toon at a minimum if an industrialist in null. Sign me up.


Alright, so introduce the horrors of 1:1 module linked dependancies. great. This is totally not a bad idea.


So, it has a HUGE capacity, and a tiny fuel usage. Nice. Another way to store extra fuel to fuel the tower it will end up living in.


Unless, as elsewhere, we resort to single case programing, no these modules don't end up making the ship immobile, and become far far less significant after the first 2. It just so happens that EVE has this little thing called a stacking penalty, and align time (unless done through mass, in which case capital coasting like WOAH) and acceleration (again, unless done through mass) are both controlled by a statistic which is stacking penalized, and this usually affects both ways.

I'm done for now. If someone finishes off the remaining points to the fisking, I'd be happy, but I need to go for now.

Considering the changes, the fisking will stop. that changes happened in response to critisism indicate that the author is not in need of a full fisking, and while the implentation sucks, the idea is interesting. It retains some of the worst aspects of the origional still, like using bonuses from a ship skill substantially smaller than it, and a yield that obsoletes anything smaller. It is an interesting addition to the capital industrial lineup, and belongs in that limited category.

Tank:


Besides being a capital getting bonuses from a ship skill which is mostly cruisers, this brings the EHP and native resist profile way out of line with anything else close to the category, especially with the flat HP profile. Every other ORE ship has either a massive hull HP or a massive shield HP, but 100k HP in all three is a bad idea.

Reactors:

The reactors linking to one single laser is a nice touch for realism, but they still are a special case as no other module uses isotopes as fuel directly from the mod itself, rather all other mods use them from the fuel bay. Given the fairly large fuel bay for something without a jump bridge, this is a reasonable draw on the fuel bay even with 5 of them fit. The other issue is that every other module with a similar effect (triage, siege bastion) is a high slot and 1 to a ship, rather than 1:1 with the module(s) they effect. They also, due to stacking penalty, would not actually make the ship immobile without hard coding such a thing.

Mining output:
So, basic mineral prices (and the underlying income of miners) are the balancing factor of costs for most capital ships. Thus these need to be carefully considered when applying massive changes to mining output per character per unit of time. As it is, this represents a 10-12x increase in the maximum m3 taken in per toon per hour. This is scalar with the DPS output of a battleship to a super-carrier, but supers and seiged dreads were balanced around killing POS shields, not with killing each other. The current output of such ships is so high because Sov is currently a MASSIVE grind, with millions of EHP per thing that you need to kill. thus balancing following this sort of scaling is not going to be effective.Your concept, while a nice concept, is too big to be effectively balanced. A smaller version, closer to a dread in size, would likely be much more effective. Total output of roughly five times a tank fit hulk or four times that of a max yield hulk is probably better, and more likely to be usable and balanced.

Slot layout:
5/5/5 is a very powerful layout on anything with capital PG and CPU to play with, even if it lacks hardpoints. If the reactor is made more like conventional siege (1 to a ship, high slot), a 6/4/4 profile might make sense, as would a 6/5/2 if it is intended to mostly be shield tanked, as the bonus proposed suggested.

Skills:

There is already a skill for ships used for industrial purposes at the capital scale. It is called "Capital Industrial ships" and as such, you ship falls fairly squarely into the role the name implies. Forcing orca and rorqual pilots to train another capital skill to fly a capital industrial ship is bad.

The base concept isn't bad. A bigger, more skill intensive barge. Now, load it down with "features" like a jump drive, massive tank, freighter sized capacity, a piecemeal seige module, and several special case bits of coding, and it becomes a monstrosity. Gimme a straight up, upsized t1 capital barge based off the orca to mine with, that generates competative isk/hr as being okay at l4s but costs a motherload, and needs orca skills + mining skills, and you have my interest.

It is when you take into consideration the probability of it being blown up.

Make this beast require a siege type module with a 5 minute duration in order to out mine a regular mining barge and you have yourself an equation that makes this idea more reasonable.

I don't think you understand how Eve works. Capital ships do not get the affects of tech 2 sub-capital ship skills. Just as jump freighters do not benefit from Transport Ships, and dreadnaughts do not benefit from Marauders, it doesn't make any sense whatsoever that your capital mining barge would benefit from Exhumers.

Now, while a multitude of reasons have been pointed out of why this is such a bad thing that would be of an overall negative change to Eve, including the fact that ore prices would drop respective to the increased yield of this ship, that this would completely obsolete any other ore miners, and in general just be far too much of a gap between the traditional role of mining ships (protect me while I mine ore);
noone seems to be paying proper attention to the name.

For your suggestion, 'Seabiscuit' would be far more apt.

This is non-binary, because you have infant mortality (I went AFK in a null belt and it died to an officer spawn while I was AFK), and you have people beating the odds (Ninja-mining in a hostile staging system). I have heard of both happening.

Its a curve, with a range of average lifecycle vs. ROI varying by space, player habits, tank relative to rats etc. Generally, this sort of thing would have to cost like the dickens or be extrodinarily fragile compared to null/low rats, or be forced to seige to mine at all in order to get similar sorts of investment choice with t1/t2/large being a function of how good your intel net is, how good you are at listening to it, how good your tank skills are and so on.

No, just no. All they need to do is fix the Rorqual.