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API hacks with a counter?

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RegardIess
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2014-08-14 15:38:41 UTC
The API tool is used very widely by EVE to figure out different stats about a player, corp or alliance. With the addition of things like Siphon units (that should be lying to api) that mask the real intentions and data of the users api. Should there be other counters to the API tool?

EVE has always promoted piracy and overall sneakiness. Now most the time there has to be clueless person at the helm of a org to not check the API back n forth and have all the info they need.

What is the counter to this tactic? most will say "make a new toon". One shouldn't have to make a new toon to plunder and pillage with his character.

Is there ways to fake API information to lull someone into feeling safer? to pull off an agenda? If someone gets your API/full API are you done in terms of your shenanigans?

There are other ways of checking kill boards for AWOX etc, but what about a real counter to API information.
Noriko Mai
#2 - 2014-08-14 15:42:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Noriko Mai
Change your API Key?!?!?!?!?!

EDIT: Thread ist not worth reading. OP is just a dickwad.

"Meh.." - Albert Einstein
Hengle Teron
Red Sky Morning
The Amarr Militia.
#3 - 2014-08-14 15:43:18 UTC
If you don't want them to have your API don't give it to them. Yes its that simple.
Shaedyn
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2014-08-14 15:44:13 UTC
Awoxing 2 hard? QQ
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#5 - 2014-08-14 15:53:35 UTC
Oh god.. API Whine is the new FOTW.




Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
RegardIess
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2014-08-14 15:58:23 UTC
You spend your life on the forums unsuccess, tell us is it the new whine of the month?

Or does a new player see things and wonder about being recruited and the info that comes out in the API. Changing it's one thing, but the corp can ask for it again if it don't work. This will be a red flag.

I see that this siphon crap hit the fan so to speak, I don't care.

What I care about or am curious about is the fact hat they had the ability to "lie" to API.

Why not give pirates and spies more ability and be able to "lie" to your API.
Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#7 - 2014-08-14 16:00:16 UTC
RegardIess wrote:
You spend your life on the forums unsuccess, tell us is it the new whine of the month?

Or does a new player see things and wonder about being recruited and the info that comes out in the API. Changing it's one thing, but the corp can ask for it again if it don't work. This will be a red flag.

I see that this siphon crap hit the fan so to speak, I don't care.

What I care about or am curious about is the fact hat they had the ability to "lie" to API.

Why not give pirates and spies more ability and be able to "lie" to your API.



NPC CORP DOES NOT ASK YOUR API
RegardIess
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2014-08-14 16:04:45 UTC
Well, there you go.

Anyone wanting to avoid API information ****..

Go to NPC corp or one that doesn't use it (crap corporations, not rvb).

Must be other reasons,we can't lie to API in one instance, but we can possibly in others.
Noriko Mai
#9 - 2014-08-14 16:04:54 UTC
Stupid thread. Stupid OP. Please lock.

"Meh.." - Albert Einstein
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#10 - 2014-08-14 16:05:32 UTC
RegardIess wrote:
The API tool is used very widely by EVE to figure out different stats about a player, corp or alliance. With the addition of things like Siphon units (that should be lying to api) that mask the real intentions and data of the users api. Should there be other counters to the API tool?

EVE has always promoted piracy and overall sneakiness. Now most the time there has to be clueless person at the helm of a org to not check the API back n forth and have all the info they need.

What is the counter to this tactic? most will say "make a new toon". One shouldn't have to make a new toon to plunder and pillage with his character.

Is there ways to fake API information to lull someone into feeling safer? to pull off an agenda? If someone gets your API/full API are you done in terms of your shenanigans?

There are other ways of checking kill boards for AWOX etc, but what about a real counter to API information.


I am pretty sure it's meant to be one of the only pure truth about this game...
RegardIess
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2014-08-14 16:08:03 UTC
Noriko Mai wrote:
Stupid thread. Stupid OP. Please lock.


reported, if you jump into a thread add something or gtfo.
RegardIess
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2014-08-14 16:10:17 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:
RegardIess wrote:
The API tool is used very widely by EVE to figure out different stats about a player, corp or alliance. With the addition of things like Siphon units (that should be lying to api) that mask the real intentions and data of the users api. Should there be other counters to the API tool?

EVE has always promoted piracy and overall sneakiness. Now most the time there has to be clueless person at the helm of a org to not check the API back n forth and have all the info they need.

What is the counter to this tactic? most will say "make a new toon". One shouldn't have to make a new toon to plunder and pillage with his character.

Is there ways to fake API information to lull someone into feeling safer? to pull off an agenda? If someone gets your API/full API are you done in terms of your shenanigans?

There are other ways of checking kill boards for AWOX etc, but what about a real counter to API information.


I am pretty sure it's meant to be one of the only pure truth about this game...


I can respect this aspect of it, but is it if CCP already try to "mask" it with siphoning?

Are API compilers a CCP technology or software by other people that compile the data and ccp just controls the raw data being released?
Caviar Liberta
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2014-08-14 16:13:26 UTC
Thought this was going to be another Siphon Unit API whine thread.
Noriko Mai
#14 - 2014-08-14 16:13:56 UTC
RegardIess wrote:
Noriko Mai wrote:
Stupid thread. Stupid OP. Please lock.


reported, if you jump into a thread add something or gtfo.

Oh sorry. I haven't seen that you are part of the dickwad squad...

"Meh.." - Albert Einstein
De'Veldrin
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2014-08-14 16:32:00 UTC  |  Edited by: De'Veldrin
Caviar Liberta wrote:
Thought this was going to be another Siphon Unit API whine thread.


I guess I'm confused. What's the deal with Siphon Units and the API?

Edit: Nevermind, I found the thread about it.,

De'Veldrin's Corollary (to Malcanis' Law): Any idea that seeks to limit the ability of a large nullsec bloc to do something in the name of allowing more small groups into sov null will inevitably make it that much harder for small groups to enter sov null.
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#16 - 2014-08-14 16:36:49 UTC
RegardIess wrote:
Frostys Virpio wrote:
RegardIess wrote:
The API tool is used very widely by EVE to figure out different stats about a player, corp or alliance. With the addition of things like Siphon units (that should be lying to api) that mask the real intentions and data of the users api. Should there be other counters to the API tool?

EVE has always promoted piracy and overall sneakiness. Now most the time there has to be clueless person at the helm of a org to not check the API back n forth and have all the info they need.

What is the counter to this tactic? most will say "make a new toon". One shouldn't have to make a new toon to plunder and pillage with his character.

Is there ways to fake API information to lull someone into feeling safer? to pull off an agenda? If someone gets your API/full API are you done in terms of your shenanigans?

There are other ways of checking kill boards for AWOX etc, but what about a real counter to API information.


I am pretty sure it's meant to be one of the only pure truth about this game...


I can respect this aspect of it, but is it if CCP already try to "mask" it with siphoning?

Are API compilers a CCP technology or software by other people that compile the data and ccp just controls the raw data being released?



Pretty sure the API put the selected data available on the API server just as data and your app have to make the right call. Now I am pretty confused about what you want or protest against. Are you asking to be able to give bogus info through the API or stopping people from siphoning info through the API system?

If the former, I'm pretty sure CCP will never do it. It would kill the whole legetimacy of the whole API system if we could just feed it bogus info.

If you want your data to stay "confidential" then just kill the key you provided to people and make new ones when you need them.
RegardIess
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2014-08-14 16:48:11 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:

Pretty sure the API put the selected data available on the API server just as data and your app have to make the right call. Now I am pretty confused about what you want or protest against.


I was just asking if there was any counters or believed to be a an ability to "lie" to the API via like this siphon drama that seems to be happening.

If there is not a current way, i wonder if there should be? If not, why not? ( i got some of those reasons).

I just seems like more depth to the game, like getting rid of local.

I am going to take one number and tell you everything about this EVE toon, even his communications. ( i know change API, no full api etc) I would like to see different options in the ability to "lie" but i don't know if this should be possible in game limits.

So many people love EVE this HTFU attitude, all of sudden throw some mystery in the pilots history and whooooaaaa drama care bear bomb from all these hard core pilots.

Way back in EVE they had no kill mails, no API they still seemed to be ok, were thefts higher, lower more protection because of API?

Does API back fire on some corps as false sense of security? They act like they have clue what they look at with API, but really don't have a clue. Then they get awoxed or stole from because they don't know what to look at, just everyone now days requires it to avoid "badguys".
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#18 - 2014-08-14 16:53:16 UTC
RegardIess wrote:
Frostys Virpio wrote:

Pretty sure the API put the selected data available on the API server just as data and your app have to make the right call. Now I am pretty confused about what you want or protest against.


I was just asking if there was any counters or believed to be a an ability to "lie" to the API via like this siphon drama that seems to be happening.

If there is not a current way, i wonder if there should be? If not, why not? ( i got some of those reasons).

I just seems like more depth to the game, like getting rid of local.

I am going to take one number and tell you everything about this EVE toon, even his communications. ( i know change API, no full api etc) I would like to see different options in the ability to "lie" but i don't know if this should be possible in game limits.

So many people love EVE this HTFU attitude, all of sudden throw some mystery in the pilots history and whooooaaaa drama care bear bomb from all these hard core pilots.

Way back in EVE they had no kill mails, no API they still seemed to be ok, were thefts higher, lower more protection because of API?

Does API back fire on some corps as false sense of security? They act like they have clue what they look at with API, but really don't have a clue. Then they get awoxed or stole from because they don't know what to look at, just everyone now days requires it to avoid "badguys".


As I said in the previous post, what's the point of supporting an API system if the information can be made bogus? People would just stop using them because they would expect people to have played with their API all the time.
RegardIess
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2014-08-14 17:07:49 UTC
Doesn't CCP making that information "bogus" (see siphon)open up the ability to maybe manipulate other things? Is it really bad if people stoppped using APIs? Why?
Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
#20 - 2014-08-14 17:19:54 UTC
The API was one of CCP most critical implementations and EVE wouldn't be anywhere near where it is today if they didn't implement the API, making the API provide fake information is a sure way to make it go downhill.

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