EVE General Discussion

the api has always lied since siphons were introduced

however ccp didn't say it would lie well

This is a posting alt, slash locator agent alt. I'm rather up front about that, I hide my identity because I was doxxed very badly a few years ago.

Now, if you have more sour grapes for me, please cry some more. I am not all laughed out yet.

if you npc-corp highsec-dwelling scrubs seriously think you're going to be able to outlaw the goons always beating you because we know more than you in this game where knowledge is power, i have a bridge to sell you

Great, then why hate on npc posters? You dont post with your main.

it looks like you did not succeed in fixing that for me, it appears you have as little idea what that acronym means as you do what exploit means

Being in moa has nothing to do with it. I've had the same stance on siphons long before my corp joined moa.

Siphons were designed for "guerrilla-style warfare" involving smaller groups engaging larger ones. That's their whole point. As an added perk, the owners of vast swathes of territory would have to actually live in their space or at the very least have alts to check up on their vast holdings. But f*ck it, who cares about occupancy, right?

Anyway, CCP knew they had to have API immunity lest the entire thing be rendered completely useless. But lo and behold, in that same thread the larger entities (CFC, N3, PL) all complained, bitched, and moaned because *gasp* the proposed mechanic might actually hurt them.

It is unclear what happened next, however if this is true:

Then CCP caved fully and completely to the entities against whom the siphon was designed. Not only this, but they did so quietly. They didn't say "oh hey, you know the API will tell you within an hour if you're being siphoned, so LOL at the suckers wasting their time with the worthless junk." There was no communication about a critical change to a given mechanic. Absolute sh*t tier communication, even by ccp standards.

So here we have an eve where the larger entities lobby for changes that favor the larger entities, and ccp demonstrably acquiesces. Everyone and their mother are currently bitching about a bipolar eve. Well, what do you expect when ccp makes changes to favor the larger entities? If this is the design paradigm that will govern eve, than no new sov system will change this bipolar stagnation. People will continue to be bored, and people will continue to unsub in boredom & disappointment, something we both know is happening already.


So yeah, I stand by my statement. If true, this behavior from CCP is fundamentally disappointing. F*ck this game. It deserves to lose all the subs it's been losing.

For me at least, it is only a silly computer game. So you know more than me for a video game - want a cookie?

Or they realized how much of a bad idea it was.

From the siphon page.


The CFC, N3, and PL are the larger entities of eve. Siphons were designed for use against larger entities. These entities also represented the bulk of the individuals opposed to the api immunity in this thread.

The CFC and PL definitely lobbied to have the siphons effectively castrated, and if indeed ccp intentionally forwent the api immunity, than that is demonstrable acquiescence to the petitions of larger entities to modify mechanics to further increase the already considerable existing advantages of larger entities. This goes contrary to the advertised goal of the siphon in promoting "guerrilla style warfare" and contrary to the notion of guerrilla warfare itself which emphasizes smaller entities engaging larger entities.

If the statements from your fellow members are true, than I find CCP's behavior on the topic of siphons to be extraordinarily disappointing.

This isn't about goons, if you guys weren't here someone else would take your place. Hell, PL isn't all that different from you lot. It's about larger entities not needing additional mechanics to help them. Eve already predominantly favors larger entities which leads to the bipolar stagnation of which you are so fond of complaining.

The possibility that ccp is unwilling to do something as trite and insignificant as giving siphons API immunity in order to curtail the influence of the larger blocs by the most microscopic of margins would, in my eyes, be evidence of a fundamental and disappointing flaw in the direction eve online is taking.

Potato, I don't think they "caved" so much as they aren't actually able to spoof the API like they thought they could.

That's what this sounds like to me.