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Siphon Units = Useless

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Prince Kobol
#81 - 2014-08-14 17:58:36 UTC
ImYourMom wrote:
Anyway perhaps people in the thread should stop making assumptions on what they think CCP intended, and wait for an official response, the devs look at these, so perhaps they can respond.

If they dont then we know there is something not quite right...thats the way i see it


An official response from CCP.. hahahaha

Chances are they didn't have a clue about this and are now trying to figure out a response that doesn't make them look stupid.
Soldarius
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#82 - 2014-08-14 18:03:28 UTC
The way CCP works, it may end up being something along the lines of someone with no knowledge of how it was intended to work happened upon the code and said to self:

"Wait. What is this? This isn't working right! I'd better fix it right now."

http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY

Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#83 - 2014-08-14 18:05:40 UTC
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
It's not really an exploit, it's another case of CCP being wrong.

NO... YOU WRONG COL SANDERS


Please try again in English.

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Mindo Junde
Somnium Vita
#84 - 2014-08-14 18:06:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Mindo Junde
Prince Kobol wrote:
ImYourMom wrote:
Anyway perhaps people in the thread should stop making assumptions on what they think CCP intended, and wait for an official response, the devs look at these, so perhaps they can respond.

If they dont then we know there is something not quite right...thats the way i see it


An official response from CCP.. hahahaha

Chances are they didn't have a clue about this and are now trying to figure out a response that doesn't make them look stupid.


ROFLMAO

either they knew and lied knowing that the big alliances would figure it out fairly quickly - look realy silly

or

Forgot to change code to allow it OR discovered they couldn't get it to work that way and said nothing - ROFLMAO

either way how can any response NOT make them look idiotic? It was a KEY feature of the release FFS.

Talk about timing as well, they have a a twitch stream due to tell us the new niceness in Hyperion, this really instills confidence
Gallowmere Rorschach
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#85 - 2014-08-14 18:06:49 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
It's not really an exploit, it's another case of CCP being wrong.

NO... YOU WRONG COL SANDERS


Please try again in English.

I think that was a quote from some terrible Adam Sandler movie, which would explain why it's completely ********.
Prince Kobol
#86 - 2014-08-14 18:09:30 UTC
Mindo Junde wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:
ImYourMom wrote:
Anyway perhaps people in the thread should stop making assumptions on what they think CCP intended, and wait for an official response, the devs look at these, so perhaps they can respond.

If they dont then we know there is something not quite right...thats the way i see it


An official response from CCP.. hahahaha

Chances are they didn't have a clue about this and are now trying to figure out a response that doesn't make them look stupid.


ROFLMAO

either they knew and lied knowing that the big alliances would figure it out fairly quickly - look realy silly

or

Forgot to change code to allow it OR discovered they couldn't get it to work that way and said nothing - ROFLMAO

either way how can any response NOT make them look idiotic? It was a KEY feature of the release FFS.

Talk about timing as well, they have a a twitch stream due to tell us the new niceness in Hyperion, this really instills confidence



I lost confidence in CCP a long time ago. It was about the time they moved John Lander (CCP Unifex) sideways to a dead end job.
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#87 - 2014-08-14 18:26:43 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
It's not really an exploit, it's another case of CCP being wrong.

NO... YOU WRONG COL SANDERS


Please try again in English.


Saying they are wrong is kinda silly. If anything, the intended function was for the information to not be available so the information being available is a defect of the system. Now what you want to call utilization of a defect in the system to get an advantage you were not supposed to have is your choice but in the end, it should of been reported instead of being used.

Penalizing people for it is stupid as it is probably impossible to find who actually used this and who was monitoring their tower how it was supposed to be done but people might as well be reminded about what they are supposed to do in the case where they find a feature to be not working as it was intended just in the same way as people should of directly reported the drone bug caused by the worm instead of using it.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#88 - 2014-08-14 18:40:38 UTC
It's not in patch notes. So it didn't make it in. That's the best indication that their intent changed. Tough nuggets.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

Soldarius
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#89 - 2014-08-14 18:45:23 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
It's not in patch notes. So it didn't make it in. That's the best indication that their intent changed. Tough nuggets.


Because all things that are not in the patch notes are not in the game, amirite?

http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY

James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#90 - 2014-08-14 19:07:44 UTC
Soldarius wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
It's not in patch notes. So it didn't make it in. That's the best indication that their intent changed. Tough nuggets.


Because all things that are not in the patch notes are not in the game, amirite?

Almost, yeah.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

Prince Kobol
#91 - 2014-08-14 19:08:15 UTC
Soldarius wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
It's not in patch notes. So it didn't make it in. That's the best indication that their intent changed. Tough nuggets.


Because all things that are not in the patch notes are not in the game, amirite?



Tell everybody what new features have been added in the last 12 months that has not been covered in depth in a dev blog
DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#92 - 2014-08-14 19:33:11 UTC
I did not read the entire thread, too much 'grrr goons' and too long. But as a bitter vet, go me, I can post anywhere so here goes, I want to address this:

Soldarius wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
How M'I Alive wrote:
If you know something is working in a manner that is not intended, which allows you to gain an advantage over others who are not aware of such, you are supposed to cease that activity immediately and report it to CCP.

Try proving that we knew it wasn't working as intended.


https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3748965#post3748965

Post #7 made by the leader of GoonSwarm Economic Cabal.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3748982#post3748982

Post #11 explicitly stating that the API would lie.

Followed by many posts from other well-known goons. So don't try to make it out like you didn't know. But I doubt anything will come of it.

This is a waste-basket. \_/ You've been dunked.



The econ warrior;s post is asking about alchemy, as in why is this not going to effect alchemy. He gets a response that this is the basic model and they will look at alchemy later. That's it. That's all that linked post says. Nothing more.

The Dev post on the other hand, is hard to descypher without context. He is etiehr saying that they know it shows up in the api, or he is talking about they they will hide it in the api, i'm unsure.

The question, and if this was answered I did not look for it, is when was this discovered. If it was in from day one and reposrted and CCP said meh, then its not a problem. If this happened after the kronos changes, then there could be a glitch. IDK. I just find it funny that everyone thinks ccp bows to goons, when a few years ago everyone thought ccp bows to bob. You all are insane.

The point is, report it. if ccp says its an exploit then it is. If they say not to worry, then its intended. Simple as that.

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#93 - 2014-08-14 19:39:29 UTC
DaReaper wrote:
I did not read the entire thread, too much 'grrr goons' and too long.

You're missing all the content though

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Soldarius
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#94 - 2014-08-14 19:40:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Soldarius
Prince Kobol wrote:
Soldarius wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
It's not in patch notes. So it didn't make it in. That's the best indication that their intent changed. Tough nuggets.


Because all things that are not in the patch notes are not in the game, amirite?



Tell everybody what new features have been added in the last 12 months that has not been covered in depth in a dev blog


API coverage of hostile siphon activities for starters. You really do make this too easy.

Here. Join James in the dunk bin. \_/

http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY

James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#95 - 2014-08-14 19:42:21 UTC  |  Edited by: James Amril-Kesh
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Try proving that we knew it wasn't working as intended.

Since people keep jumping on this:
Nobody in this thread even knows that it isn't working as intended. All that we know is it's not working the way CCP said it would at one point, but this is prior to the redesign of the module that happened before it was ever released.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#96 - 2014-08-14 19:43:12 UTC
Soldarius wrote:
API coverage of hostile siphon activities for starters. You really do make this too easy.

I like this "I'm right because I'm right" thing you've got going.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#97 - 2014-08-14 19:45:37 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
DaReaper wrote:
I did not read the entire thread, too much 'grrr goons' and too long.

You're missing all the content though


It can be made into a TLDR quite easyly tho.

Some people : The API is not working as it was said it would and alliance X Y and Z abused this to know the status of their tower.

A buch of other people : GRRRRGOON (nobody saying the other alliance are just as much at fault for some reasons...)

A bunch of goons : We didn't know it was not supposed to be available.
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#98 - 2014-08-14 19:46:58 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Soldarius wrote:
API coverage of hostile siphon activities for starters. You really do make this too easy.

I like this "I'm right because I'm right" thing you've got going.


It's about as good as "we're right because we say we are" from the other side of the argument...
Gallowmere Rorschach
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#99 - 2014-08-14 19:48:36 UTC
When people need a TL;DR, I'd prefer they stay the **** out of threads anyway, but oh well.
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#100 - 2014-08-14 19:51:36 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Try proving that we knew it wasn't working as intended.

Since people keep jumping on this:
Nobody in this thread even knows that it isn't working as intended. All that we know is it's not working the way CCP said it would at one point, but this is prior to the redesign of the module that happened before it was ever released.


We are supposed to assume their design direction changed when something is not working as it was previously described? So for example it should of been accepted as correct for worm drones to keep their bonus when going from a ship to another since nobody from CCP said the drone should have it's value reset?

You are basically saying every single bug in the game should be used because CCP obviously never mentioned a mechanic was not supposed to work that way and even if they did, then it gets a free pass because they somehow might have changed their mind? What's the point of asking people to report bug when they think there might be one if the course of action is to effectively use it because it might be intended even if it makes no sense at all to be this way?