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Improve the Raptor! Raptor Balancing/Feedback.

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Arya Regnar
Darwins Right Hand
#21 - 2014-08-15 10:38:18 UTC
Maybe not in the way OP described but raptor definitely needs a buff.

The only people that fly raptors are people who want more dps and don't have racial frig skills to 5 besides cal.

Crows are very very good, raptors are just garbage.

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Suitonia
Order of the Red Kestrel
#22 - 2014-08-17 10:09:57 UTC
Arya Regnar wrote:
Maybe not in the way OP described but raptor definitely needs a buff.

The only people that fly raptors are people who want more dps and don't have racial frig skills to 5 besides cal.

Crows are very very good, raptors are just garbage.


Thank you, My proposed method may not be the 100% best way (Although I have put in a lot of time thinking about it), but the sentiment is still the same.

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Suitonia
Order of the Red Kestrel
#23 - 2014-08-18 19:10:22 UTC
bump

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Linkxsc162534
Apollo United Systems
#24 - 2014-08-18 20:09:50 UTC
Well, EFTwarrioring for a few minutes with stupid fits including the removal of the DCU2 for other mods (usually speed, or extra PG and.... none of them really seem balanced.)

The real problem I see with this lineup of ceptors is that all of them have... balanced racial frigate bonuses.
But the interceptor bonuses, all other craft get an application bonus from interceptor skill, which works great. Crow is stuck with a 4% per level shield resist bonus, which is then shoved into a ship that can't really tank.
Maybe it would work great as a close range nos/SB fit for holding down larger ships, but its really not an anti frigate craft
Eldwinn
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#25 - 2014-08-18 20:15:15 UTC
TrouserDeagle wrote:
I think swapping the roles back how they were would be good, and then just cover the raptor in range and damage bonuses until it can kite. massive nerfs to light missiles pls.

pretty sure caldari are not 'supposed' to do blasters.


He is a bitter old man in real life. +1 though. I am surprised anyone flys a raptor.
Suitonia
Order of the Red Kestrel
#26 - 2014-08-19 03:40:41 UTC
Linkxsc162534 wrote:
Well, EFTwarrioring for a few minutes with stupid fits including the removal of the DCU2 for other mods (usually speed, or extra PG and.... none of them really seem balanced.)

The real problem I see with this lineup of ceptors is that all of them have... balanced racial frigate bonuses.
But the interceptor bonuses, all other craft get an application bonus from interceptor skill, which works great. Crow is stuck with a 4% per level shield resist bonus, which is then shoved into a ship that can't really tank.
Maybe it would work great as a close range nos/SB fit for holding down larger ships, but its really not an anti frigate craft


If it had a 4th mid it would be able to do this.

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Foxstar Damaskeenus
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Not Purple Shoot It.
#27 - 2014-08-19 13:32:59 UTC
I'm all for moving a low to a mid. The craptor is a really good looking ship.

Good news is, somebody bought the one I had tried to fit and play with for 18 million on the market in Siseide. I thought I might be stuck with it. Big smile

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ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#28 - 2014-08-19 14:56:58 UTC
Removed some off topic posts.

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Foxstar Damaskeenus
why did i join this corp
Not Purple Shoot It.
#29 - 2014-08-19 20:06:13 UTC
How much pg would they add and would this be a 150mm eailgun fit ship?

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X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#30 - 2014-08-19 20:37:34 UTC  |  Edited by: X Gallentius
Raptor Bonuses:

Caldari Frigate Skill Bonus: 5% bonus to Small Hybrid Turret Damage and 10% bonus to Small Hybrid Turret optimal range per level

Interceptor Skill Bonus: 15% reduction in MicroWarpdrive signature radius penalty and 4% bonus to Shield Resistances per level.

There you go: It can receive remote reps much better than the Taranis. Also, ancilliary shield booster is better on it.

Same baseline speed as Taranis, but faster and quicker at L5 skills. Same slot layout. More CPU, More Grid.
Better defense. It's very difficult for me to believe that you can't do the same thing to the other combat inties with the Raptor that you say you can do with a Taranis.
TrouserDeagle
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#31 - 2014-08-19 21:00:25 UTC
X Gallentius wrote:

Same baseline speed as Taranis, but faster and quicker at L5 skills


I don't understand this part.
Suitonia
Order of the Red Kestrel
#32 - 2014-08-20 01:05:37 UTC
X Gallentius wrote:
Raptor Bonuses:

Caldari Frigate Skill Bonus: 5% bonus to Small Hybrid Turret Damage and 10% bonus to Small Hybrid Turret optimal range per level

Interceptor Skill Bonus: 15% reduction in MicroWarpdrive signature radius penalty and 4% bonus to Shield Resistances per level.

There you go: It can receive remote reps much better than the Taranis. Also, ancilliary shield booster is better on it.

Same baseline speed as Taranis, but faster and quicker at L5 skills. Same slot layout. More CPU, More Grid.
Better defense. It's very difficult for me to believe that you can't do the same thing to the other combat inties with the Raptor that you say you can do with a Taranis.


Feel free to link a fit and compare it with the Interceptor fits I posted in the OP of this thread, I have already discussed at length why the Raptor is inferior to the Taranis (Even with a Dual-Prop clone fit).

The Taranis has a drone bay, a tracking bonus, an additional damage bonus, and more EHP when comparing DCII only fits (No, the Raptor doesn't have better defenses!!). Because of this, the Taranis not only beats the Raptor at every single range with near identical fits, but it also has a much larger engagement profile, I have done a direct comparison with a Dual-Prop Raptor (Clone of Dual-Prop Taranis fit), and why it loses to every other single Interceptor in the game regardless of how you fly, or they, because it comes down to math,

If you fit a Medium Shield Extender or a Medium Ancillary Shield Booster module instead, please refer to the lower part of my first post in this thread. It still loses, if you dedicate the 3rd mid to tank then you give up range control as well as your ability to project damage, the end result is that the faster Claw and Crusader have free-reign to kite you and kill you with their superior range, and having no range control on Taranis means he can get on top of you where he does almost 50% more raw damage than you, while also abusing his tracking bonus by heating AB and orbiting you (Please see the damage graph I posted for how this plays out), the net result is that the Taranis applies about 3-4x !!!! more DPS than the Raptor does at this range, and he will completely annihilate you, not to mention that the Crusader, Claw and Taranis have much larger engagement profiles than the Raptor does.

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Suitonia
Order of the Red Kestrel
#33 - 2014-08-30 10:27:47 UTC
bump

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Adrie Atticus
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#34 - 2014-08-31 08:34:27 UTC
I could upgrade those 75mm rails to 150mm rails with this?
Colt Blackhawk
Doomheim
#35 - 2014-08-31 08:46:29 UTC
Great post and I agree completely. (C)Raptor needs a buff/revamp.
What op maybe missed: Raptor is actually the best transport/travel inty Lol
Good cargo and you are able to get under 2 sec align time to get through gate camps.
But in combat complete Oops

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Suitonia
Order of the Red Kestrel
#36 - 2014-08-31 10:59:56 UTC
Colt Blackhawk wrote:
Great post and I agree completely. (C)Raptor needs a buff/revamp.
What op maybe missed: Raptor is actually the best transport/travel inty Lol
Good cargo and you are able to get under 2 sec align time to get through gate camps.
But in combat complete Oops


Claw has more cargo, +1 low for expander, and better base agility so can also get under <2.0 align time, The Raptor isn't even the best shuttle :D

In all seriousness though, thanks for the bump.

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Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
#37 - 2014-08-31 13:34:18 UTC
If you don't mind my saying it, OP, what is with this bumping? You don't do that in F&I.

More to the topic though: I agree with the "move a slot from a high/low to a mid" proposal that's going around in here.
Ghaustyl Kathix
Rising Thunder
#38 - 2014-08-31 14:06:01 UTC
+1'd. Making more ships actually viable is always good!
SharkPrince2001
Order of the Red Kestrel
#39 - 2014-09-13 09:52:12 UTC
+1
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