Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Yeah that's true, nestor stops being a pirate ship when it suits the poster's argument, and it goes back to being a pirate ship when it suits the poster's argument

i do no battle ship should have a covert cloak


I do think the nestor would be nice if it could fit a covert cyno if we can't just give it a jump drive and bridge i would pay the iso cost to bridge it as a logi

that was my bad on formatting i meant they should never be allowed t o have a covert cloak anywhere and i was then giving my idea as to what i thought they should have. i didn't mean they should have that only in wh space

I have never regarded Nestor to be a pirate battleship, if i have somewhere called it that i am truly sorry.
It is a multi faction ship, and the only other multifaction ships are pirate ships so there is perhaps some merit to calling it that.
However SoE have no history with piracy or spectacular combat ships, they do have good ties to exploration that this ship keeps.

It cost the exact same amount of LP to buy a Nestor BPC as it does for Vindi/NM/Mach/Bhaal, what people tend to forget is that this happens in 0.0 where you have to go for the other ships also. So from game design point of view it cost the same as pirate battleships, the higher cost is all based on supply/demand and a free market.

What special bonus would you give it, when most already agree that cov ops should not happen?

This thing needs to be killed with fire.
Go back to the drawing board and start from scratch.

Welcome tweaks. Anything that improves the Nestor's current position. And I approve how this new theme of small, fast changes allows for changes like this one.

First, it's good to see its price might go down. As posted many times before, its cost is one of its biggest problems.

The Ship Maintenance Bay is quite curious. Seems to be designed just to allow refits, instead of carrying ships with it. Well, it being a WH ship, I imagine it as a good mobile base for Strategic Cruisers to swap subsystems, since they can now do that in space.

Reduced sig radius is nice too.

If I were to propose more changes, I would first look at the hacking bonus. Even though it's a theme for SoE ships, it does not work well in a battleship. I'd suggest to change that bonus for another one, more useful for such a ship.
I won't suggest covops cloak or bridge capability: not even Black Ops can fit covops cloak and they still work well, and I don't think the Nestor needs a bridge (also, since it is a WH ship, it would be useless). Instead, I would give it the same cloaking capabilities as Black Ops: increased cloaked velocity and zero targeting delay. That way it would fill a new role: a Black Ops Logistics Drone Boat with sniping lasers and armor tanked. Sounds like a hospital ship with some teeth; I think it would fit very well with the SoE theme.

And, no offense intended, but I see too many people ranting about it not being what they want it to be or not liking it because it doesn't fill an already covered role. It is a WH ship, which can rep as much as 2.5 Guardians, bring drones, and even snipe a bit with lasers. Yes, it still needs some help, perhaps even having its repping bonuses affect shield reppers too, but I don't think it needs a covops, a bridge, or a bigger maintenance bay. It's simply not its role. Just my opinion though.

Because the SoE Ship line was meant to be a cloaky exploration/roaming based ship line. Which the Nestor is not currently designed as. I quite happily would give up the RR bonus and have exactly the same bonuses as the Stratios on it (Designed for the correct size of ship obviously). Rather than a bunch of bonuses that don't actually match each other, and instead seem designed by a committee of 100.

Also, I never said it wouldn't be good, I said it wouldn't be OP.

That is where those that want cov ops cloak and those that dont disagree, bouth sides agree that it would be better with it and 1 side think that would make it to good :P

Same bonus as Stratios wouldbe no RR amount or range, and most likely loose 25mb so it can only field 4 heavy/sentry and 5 range bonused guns.




Was stated in the original Nestor thread that virus bonus DONT take the place for another bonus, removing it would therefor not grant access to a "better" bonus in any way or form. I do support removing laser bonus for something that can help it with fleet support

I'm sure CCP could work out the mechanics very easily. Bomb launchers show that they can tie modules to specific kinds of space. However, lore-wise and gameplay-wise, "this cloak on this ship can only be used in this kind of situation, even though there are tons of cloaks on other ships that can do it more generally" is really dumb and has no place in this game.

CCP's said before, if they add covert ops cloaks to black ops battleships, they will nerf their tank and DPS to compensate. If the Nestor gets a covert ops cloak, I doubt it'll be the result anyone wants.

Pretty good changes. I always felt the main problem with this ship was the price. Making it Blops bridgeable might be ok. But even blops BS do not fit a cov ops cloak......