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EVE Lore: Questioning, Ship Crews and their purpose.

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Nevil Oscillator
#61 - 2014-10-27 00:42:56 UTC
Jandice Ymladris wrote:


Remember, this is the fiction section, not the gameplay section, so you'll find things that have barely any representation ingame, crews are among this, albeit there's several ingame items that refer to ship crews.


I appreciate that, I'm just adding a few thoughts on the issue, asking if the back story hasn't complicated matters unnecessarily ?

Given the levels of automation and AI shown to exist within ship equipment and technology such as tractor beams, what innovative uses for that could exist, the mind boggles.

It's only nautical ships that have an abundance of crew, aircraft and spaceships currently have few.

A 1910 German U Boat might have 4 officers and 31 crew. What they all do is another question, I mean at some point they stopped needing 4 guys to load the torpedoes into the tubes maybe.
Jandice Ymladris
Aurora Arcology
#62 - 2014-10-27 04:47:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Jandice Ymladris
Correct, that's why a frigate (which is about the length of your average large submarine, can go by with a handful to no crew if it's fitted with a capsule. A capsule replaces the bridge crew, making them obsolete, as you are the bridge.
Larger ships still need crew, simply due to their size. Automation is fine, but when things start to break down, there is still that great advantage to have something that doesn't rely on electricity or digital inputs to get into action.
Keep in mind, your cruiser dwarfs anything mankind has ever shot into space. Considering the complexity of spacecraft, a crew becomes inevitable. However, as you pointed out (and this is also shown in PF) automation minimizes the crew. This is why a ship that is a few times bigger then the largest mobile craft we ever built can run on just a few dozen to a hundred people.

You could replace the crew with drones if you prefer so, but PF (Prime Fiction) has made clear that AI is declared illegal, due to the Rogue Drone issue. This in return means that your drone crew always needs input from you & in the middle of combat, nobody is waiting to issue orders to your crew. So hence, human crew, they got the brains & self-awareness to decide for themselves, so you can focus on combat.

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Nevil Oscillator
#63 - 2014-10-27 12:13:20 UTC
Jandice Ymladris wrote:
Correct, that's why a frigate (which is about the length of your average large submarine, can go by with a handful to no crew if it's fitted with a capsule. A capsule replaces the bridge crew, making them obsolete, as you are the bridge.
Larger ships still need crew, simply due to their size. Automation is fine, but when things start to break down, there is still that great advantage to have something that doesn't rely on electricity or digital inputs to get into action.
Keep in mind, your cruiser dwarfs anything mankind has ever shot into space. Considering the complexity of spacecraft, a crew becomes inevitable. However, as you pointed out (and this is also shown in PF) automation minimizes the crew. This is why a ship that is a few times bigger then the largest mobile craft we ever built can run on just a few dozen to a hundred people.

You could replace the crew with drones if you prefer so, but PF (Prime Fiction) has made clear that AI is declared illegal, due to the Rogue Drone issue. This in return means that your drone crew always needs input from you & in the middle of combat, nobody is waiting to issue orders to your crew. So hence, human crew, they got the brains & self-awareness to decide for themselves, so you can focus on combat.


This is all speculation, and fiction choices based with facts. A modern fighter jet is possibly a great deal more expensive and complicated than a small nautical ship with a dozen crew. Ask yourself why they don't have a dozen crew on board ?
Caroline Grace
Retrostellar Boulevard
#64 - 2014-10-27 13:17:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Caroline Grace
Nevil Oscillator wrote:
This is all speculation, and fiction choices based with facts. A modern fighter jet is possibly a great deal more expensive and complicated than a small nautical ship with a dozen crew. Ask yourself why they don't have a dozen crew on board ?

This is not a speculation, this is the Prime Fiction for EVE Online, you potato. You're confusing and mixing real world background with offical backstory and official canon lore (no doubt you have no idea what those even mean) of a virtual computer game; set in a world with alternative human history. For love of all baked chips with chocolate sauce, educate yourself, before further contribution to EVE Fiction forum section.

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Nevil Oscillator
#65 - 2014-10-27 16:18:10 UTC
Caroline Grace wrote:
. For love of all baked chips with chocolate sauce, educate yourself, before further contribution to EVE Fiction forum section.



Interesting because that is exactly what it appears no one else has done.
Jandice Ymladris
Aurora Arcology
#66 - 2014-10-27 18:08:14 UTC
Nevil Oscillator wrote:


This is all speculation, and fiction choices based with facts. A modern fighter jet is possibly a great deal more expensive and complicated than a small nautical ship with a dozen crew. Ask yourself why they don't have a dozen crew on board ?


I advise you to read the lore of eve, because currently you are just waiting to be spoonfed, not doing any effort to read the Crew Guide link provided by example that has a few other links to crew etc etc.

Simply, the jetfighter can't carry the crew, it's also the reason it drops out of the sky like a brick after a few hours of flight, unless you get 'external' crew to resolve this (refuel plane, airfield crew, aircraft carrier crew.
Also, the jetfighter you mention has a comparable in Eve, namely the carrier space fighters in eve, who are also crewed by one pilot.
The Jetfighter cannot be compared to a frigate in Eve, because the frigate can stay operational for days, weeks & even months by itself. A more apt comparision would be a nuclear submarine, who can also operate by itself for months, and they do carry a large crew.

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Nevil Oscillator
#67 - 2014-10-27 20:16:02 UTC
I'm not waiting to be spoon fed lore and I'm not here to pick holes in it which I could quite easily.
It achieves the level of plausibility that it does, it is never going to be infallible.
It is a sci-fi theme game, some parts are a stretch of the imagination but that is ok.
I'm just warning against wrapping it all up in too much cotton wool and making a nest in it.
These are statistics about ships that have no relevance to the game other than to make what occurs in the game seem less plausible.
Dradis Aulmais
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#68 - 2014-10-30 18:18:58 UTC
In the book EVE A BURNING LIFE (available TOR books) we find out that sisters of eve are constantly picking up survivors of ships. Many crew of a capsuleer ship make t to the escape pods to be picked up. We also learned that there is a growing anti-capsuleer movement bent on stopping the massive loss of life due to capsuleers.

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Nevil Oscillator
#69 - 2014-10-30 18:27:21 UTC
Dradis Aulmais wrote:
In the book EVE A BURNING LIFE (available TOR books) we find out that sisters of eve are constantly picking up survivors of ships. Many crew of a capsuleer ship make t to the escape pods to be picked up. We also learned that there is a growing anti-capsuleer movement bent on stopping the massive loss of life due to capsuleers.


I find the possiblity of an anti-capsuleer movement very plausible for a number of reasons besides the one you have mentioned. NPC ships and early days of capsuleers/ beginners (New Players) all seems quite plausible but as the game progresses, what I am seeing is very much a one man/woman band.
Dradis Aulmais
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#70 - 2014-10-30 18:51:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Dradis Aulmais
NPC's:

Blood raiders use capsuleer crew for their rituals. serpentas experiments on them. Shashan(sp?) turn them with Implants. Drones don't care and they just kill everyone.



Personally I think every ship is kept up by a little Mexican woman named consella who keeps asking for more lemon pledge.Cool

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Nevil Oscillator
#71 - 2014-10-30 19:16:35 UTC
Dradis Aulmais wrote:


Personally I think every ship is kept up by a little Mexican woman named consella who keeps asking for more lemon pledge.Cool


It would be nice to think so but unfortunately I lose ships a little bit more often than that.
Dradis Aulmais
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#72 - 2014-10-30 19:25:36 UTC
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=he4dQTuqtZc

Ships crew

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Nevil Oscillator
#73 - 2014-10-30 20:27:10 UTC
Dradis Aulmais wrote:
In the book EVE A BURNING LIFE (available TOR books)


I'm guessing that it isn't a comedy.
Dradis Aulmais
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#74 - 2014-10-30 21:38:10 UTC
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/0765325292?pc_redir=1413974054&robot_redir=1

There is one part but I don't want to spoil it

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Nevil Oscillator
#75 - 2014-11-02 21:07:56 UTC
Jandice Ymladris wrote:


You could replace the crew with drones if you prefer so, but PF (Prime Fiction) has made clear that AI is declared illegal, due to the Rogue Drone issue. This in return means that your drone crew always needs input from you & in the middle of combat, nobody is waiting to issue orders to your crew. So hence, human crew, they got the brains & self-awareness to decide for themselves, so you can focus on combat.



A drone crew or human crew is not making decisions for itself, it is acting on orders from the capsuleer who coordinates everything on a player ship. This theory is supported by the fact characters require skills to operate the ships and the devices on them. It is a strange situation to try to rationalize because on the one hand you are talking about ships that are away from station for weeks or months and on the other that isn't what happens at all.