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Broadcast for Reps (Get help if you're suicidal)

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Iraga en Quiria
en Quiria Enterprise
#81 - 2014-08-17 11:11:30 UTC
Tweek Etimua wrote:

Seriously? That's what you have to say?
First, I've gotten help. Second it's that kind of comment that you should just never say.... It's arrogant, callus and just ignorant.
If I had heard you say that to some who needed help. The first thing I would advise to do is never listen to you. Thats the exact type of comment that I was talking about that would have put me over the edge.



Really? Guess we relate to the world differently, then. I agree it wasn't as exhaustive as it should have been.

What sort of reply would you react more positive towards?
Tweek Etimua
WiNGSPAN Delivery Services
WiNGSPAN Delivery Network
#82 - 2014-08-17 11:34:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Tweek Etimua
Iraga en Quiria wrote:
Tweek Etimua wrote:

Seriously? That's what you have to say?
First, I've gotten help. Second it's that kind of comment that you should just never say.... It's arrogant, callus and just ignorant.
If I had heard you say that to some who needed help. The first thing I would advise to do is never listen to you. Thats the exact type of comment that I was talking about that would have put me over the edge.



Really? Guess we relate to the world differently, then. I agree it wasn't as exhaustive as it should have been.

What sort of reply would you react more positive towards?



The OP title is Broadcast for reps. Aka call for help. This wave or movement that sais "If some calls for help send them to a professional" is like that story of a woman being assaulted in a park an every one is standing in a circle just wachting and only a few people called 911 and thats all they did. All they could be bothered with is a phone call. The same is true with what you said. Its not that you missunderstood me. It was your reaction to how you understood me. Few rules of thumb are to never confront a person boldly and in public about them needing help. Never accuse or start off with what you think is going on. Ask before advise. And before you pass the buck, offer and try to do something. Any ounce of compassin goes a long way.

But thats for people like me. Not necissarily peolpe with a chemical imbalance. But dont jump strait to the chemical imbalance.
DJentropy Ovaert
The Conference Elite
CODE.
#83 - 2014-08-17 14:19:37 UTC  |  Edited by: DJentropy Ovaert
Regnag Leppod wrote:
Is this sarcasm? This community has been 1000% in your face hate for the past several years.
Mocking anyone who dares to even admit that they have "feelings" or that something that happened upset them. And God forbid that said "something" happened in game.
Several common posters on this forum without fail push the view that anyone who is so "weak" as to have emotions shouldn't be playing Eve in the first place.
As for suicidal thoughts, we've seen plenty on how the community views that. Regardless of whether or not Alex truly felt bad about what he did at Fanfest, the majority in Eve all thought it was a great laugh and that pushing people to suicide is "the new meta".


+1 to OP for trying, if he's really serious, but, this is Eve. I'm calling BS.




No, this is not sarcasm. This community is very "in your face" and aggressive - no one will deny this - but with only SIX exceptions in many years of play, I have never witnessed a single player actually wishing real life harm on another player or themselves. All six of these exceptions I mention were players who were upset about not being able to be "left alone" to "mine in peace" and were upset over the fact that EVE is a "sandbox" and that combat mechanics can be applied in ways that may be unexpected to them. I don't think ANY of these six players were actually serious about wanting actual harm to be done to me or themselves, but were just emotional about the loss of a internet spaceship. This is part of what makes EVE special - in pretty much every other MMORPG on the market losses are mostly meaningless and player actions have no real impact on the game itself. To quote a song that was made about EVE - "Killing and dying still stirs up emotion". It's this "emotion" that makes this game special.

The simple reality is that the EVE community consists of awesome and good people, and if I personally was witness to another player having a really bad time and actually considering doing themselves harm in the real world - I would offer to listen to them, help them, refer them to ways they could get help, or just be a friendly ear.

When we say "HTFU" and "Cry harder!" - we are talking about internet spaceships and make believe characters in a video game. There are a lot of people who don't understand the difference between a video game and reality - and we can't ignore the simple fact that anyone can join our community without providing any evidence that they are an adult who understand this difference.

We can, however, step away from playing bad-ass internet pirate or professional spaceship explosion engineer for a moment to actually listen to the people around us. I know I do, and everyone that I call a friend in this video game does the same thing.
Iraga en Quiria
en Quiria Enterprise
#84 - 2014-08-17 16:27:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Iraga en Quiria
Tweek Etimua wrote:


The OP title is Broadcast for reps. Aka call for help. This wave or movement that sais "If some calls for help send them to a professional" is like that story of a woman being assaulted in a park an every one is standing in a circle just wachting and only a few people called 911 and thats all they did. All they could be bothered with is a phone call. The same is true with what you said. Its not that you missunderstood me. It was your reaction to how you understood me. Few rules of thumb are to never confront a person boldly and in public about them needing help. Never accuse or start off with what you think is going on. Ask before advise. And before you pass the buck, offer and try to do something. Any ounce of compassin goes a long way.

But thats for people like me. Not necissarily peolpe with a chemical imbalance. But dont jump strait to the chemical imbalance.


I can agree with your assault analogy in this particular case. I read a post that I thought warranted some kind of reply. I read the situation wrong, and I apologise for that.

However, recommending professional help would be part of any communication from me on the subject. It certainly wouldn't be the only response (had we been chatting directly rather than posting on a forum, my response would be very different), but though I would certainly lend an ear, for as long as it takes, I do have my limits. I'm not a pro, as should be evident. Just a fellow sufferer.