EVE General Discussion

I found your problem.

Ha ha, good one.

The only part in EVE that has any resemblance to a full contact sport is Factional Warfare.

EVE itself is a simluator with minigames in it. You don't need a high IQ to play it or a blob of friends. You can manipulate the game and become a trillionaire from inside a station.

The "rules" you are talking about are invented by this elitist community.

Personally, I don't think find "you should put effort into defending yourself" to be elitist at all.

The community may seem cold and hostile at first but as cliche as this might sound it's because you haven't gotten to know them. The nature of the game requires them to shut out unknowns as a defense mechanism. The game doesn't so much bring out the worst in us either so much as it teaches us that danger can be fun and turns our sense of humor a little darker than most are accustomed to.

If you are new you are an "outsider" and with the nature of the game we can never be sure at first glance if you are legitimately new or an [insert alliance name here] alt hoping we will let you in on a secret. This is also why most corps/alliances will have a screening process if you were to apply. Once you get in somewhere though the rules for how you are treated are vastly different from before we knew who you were. Now that I'm in SC, people will just lend me ships worth billions simply on my word that I will return or replace it, hard to imagine as a first time outsider I'm sure. The cold and sarcastic shoulder has become shorthand for "I'm not telling you anything, don't waste your time", because as the old saying goes: loose lips sink ships. But don't sweat it, it's definitely not personal.

While there are individuals who I would not suggest spending any time with (although I will say most of them have positive sec status), I have never joined a corp that was an overall bad experience.

Said it before and I will say it again, the biggest problem Eve has when it comes ot new players is that NPE is mostly focused on PvE activities which suck massive hairy balls and is the weakest part of Eve.

Sure teach new players about the basic mechanics or Eve and it should be pushing players to find player corps, and by that I mean the likes of RvB, Eve Uni and FW Corps and not the hundreds of small crappy corps that reside in HS and do nothing but mine and run at the first sight of trouble.

PVP: You can pvp pretty early in to the game, after 2-3 weeks of training. I have been playing just over 2 weeks and I got 3 kills in one morning solo pvping.

Corps: Most corps I have seen in the Corp Finder do not have any required events. If you join a faction warfare corp you can make ISK and pvp at the same time. Exploration is also a good way to make ISK in lowsec/nullsec. I have run a lot of missions and tried mining with an alt. Both tasks are incredibly boring. You will end up quitting the game in no time.

I have been reading the forums a lot and it seems like once players start down the Mining or Mission Running path they get stuck in a rut and never do anything else.

I am still trying to wrap my head around the notion of "bullying" in EvE.

I am picturing someone in Battlefield, COD, or CS complaining about a really good player killing them repeatedly and calling them a noob for dying so much. Is that bullying ? Or is that just playing the game. Should the good player not shoot you because that would be mean, how do they know your new or not good ..

In EvE the ganker doesnt know if you are a day 1 player or a day 1 alt of a multi trillion isk titan flying nullsec alliance leader.

I started EvE as a purely industrialist char, in an industrial corp. I started hating the pirates, mbrs of M00, killing me as i tried to do my industrial stuff. Then i had an epiphany .. they were just playing the role of pirates, which in turn meant that i had to deal with them, which was a hell of alot more fun that dealing with NPC rats. They added content, i had to plan and execute to not be affected by them, I learned to love to hate them.

Not saying there arnt asshats in eve who enjoy making other people suffer - which is a bad thing in a human in RL .. but its just a game, like playing the bad guy in a role playing game. I could never do what they do, but thats me, and i dont expect others to have the same moral compass i have; that would be presumptuous of me.

If you do not like the idea of being blown up by some asshat trying to farm your tears for nothing more than giggles then you wont make it eve, in the long run. In the short term, your reaction is perfectly normal and warranted. In the long term you should learn to let go, learn to avoid doing things that give the asshats an in, figure out how to mitigate losses, learn to fit the right ships with the right modules, learn to work with your corp m8s and allies for mutual protection and benifit.. and eventually you will get to turn the tables on the asshats .. and boy does it feel great to bait and gank a ganker.

EvE is a PVP game like Call of Duty and Battlefield - you should expect to be killed by veteran players .. they have the skill .. and i dont mean the Skill Points .. i mean player skill. I have the SP, but i dont have the player skills and i get nuked by players with 5% of my SP total - cause they know how to use their ship + mods way better. A day 3 player can do great things with their meager t1 ships and basic mods if they read up on the what, when, why, who and how of frig 1v1 pvp. A day 1 player can join a nullsec fleet and be useful, survive and get many kills. (or die in seconds). A ship is a ship and a module is a module .. the SP bonuses dont really matter as much as people make out .. what matters is what is done with the tool.

I think there are bullies in EvE .. but they are not the norm - they are a small impactful tiny minority
I think there are forum trolls, but they too are a small loud impactful minority.
And both can be largely ignored or guarded against.
CCP doesnt not enable their behaviour anymore than it enables my in game altruism. - they create a space where we chose how to behave.
If you can not accept that someone else might ruin your day in eve by blowing up your ship then EvE isnt the game you should not be playing - its a game where you are supposed to have fun .. if you are not having fun then why play it. The rest of us love the game for what it is, and i dont see why we should look to changing the core element of the only game that is like this when there are so many others that would work better for those people with issues with EvE.

I struggle with that too. if you are like me, you probably feel this way because you understand that 'bullying' is impossible over a medium you can turn off and walk away from....

I mean the whole idea is just stupid. How can one be bullied in an environment that isn't the least bit real and that says "you know, it's perfectly ok to shoot someone, hell shoot everyone you see if you like, just because"?

When I was in NCDot the 1st time the evil Goons took Tribute (and my precious guristas rats) from me. I didn't feel bullied, though I did feel slightly penetrated (just the tip it seems). I make up for it by shooting Goons at every opportunity, because this is a video game lol.

Why is it always the 'playstyles" people posting dumb stuff lol. No one said anything about any damn playstyles.

EVE requires and rewards certain mindsets and character traits. People who have the proper predisposition enjoy the hell out of EVE, people who don't either quit early on (smart) or keep playing a game they don't like and aren't really suited for while begging the developers to change the game to fit their tastes (dumb).

Jonah simply uses contact sports as a metaphor, one I'm fond if goes like this: "If you dislike capitalism, why would you choose to play a game that should have been called 'Reganomics/Thatcherism Online' lol?"



Most other MMOs cater to the kinds of people we have here that have so many issues with EVE, some of us are confused as to why these people choose to play here instead of those other games. For instance, some people are 'cooperative sorts' who despise the kind of hard core competing that goes on in EVE. Nothing wrong with being a cooperative sort (I am, i prefer cooperation over conflict/drama), but HATING conflict marks you are someone who shouldn't be playing this kind of game.

CCP advertises EVE Online as a dark, dystopian world, almost the opposite of the cheery optimism of another space based IP were people are busy 'living long and prospering'. That other space based IP has an Online game of the same name and it is the opposite of EVE Online: griefing is not allowed at all, there is no non-consensual pvp, even the penalties for death or a joke compared to EVE.

Yet, rather than play a game that is tailor made for their personality type, they play EVE, a game that goes directly against what they say they want and also a game that attracts certain types of players that would be frowned upon elsewhere.

My theory is that some people just need an 'enemy' to measure themselves with, they don't really want the kind of game they clamor for (if they did they'd be playing it rather than being here), they just think they do.