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A Carebear's Letter to CCP

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Ray Kyonhe
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#81 - 2014-08-09 01:13:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Ray Kyonhe
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:

So what? Their characters are not, their in game possessions are not.

Nothing in EVE Online is real. Just like nothing in Monopoly is real, those are not real hotels, they are not playing with real money. I can take your game money and you are dealt no harm in real life.

Nothing. Completely nothing. As I've already said I just can't get why are you making so big deal of the fact that some of those ppl have sociopathic tendencies which are they too scared to unleash IRL, so they do it in the game, which is not real so this won't produce any serious consequences for them. I just stated that as fact, then you barged in and made a drama from this. What?

I probably shouldn't put so much effort in my playfull retors, about despisable punks and stuff, if I knew I would step on a nerve here, I just stayed away from the topic. So no need in attempts to get me for this with verbal attacks like this one
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:

Well, unless you're the kind of sissy excuse for an adult who gets butthurt about losing a simple game. But those people are fun to laugh at, so they get special attention.

we have nothing to fight over there, and you have nothing to be ashamed of too. You hardly can be blaymed for being yourself.

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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#82 - 2014-08-09 01:19:20 UTC
Ray Kyonhe wrote:

As I've already said I just can't get why are you making so big deal of the fact that some of those ppl have sociopathic tendencies which are they too scared to unleash IRL, so they do it in the game, which is not real so this won't produce any serious consequences for them. I just stated that as fact, then you barged in and made a drama from this. What?


Because you are lying.

Blowing up other people in EVE Online is not a sociopathic act. Enjoying it is not being a sociopath. You're just attempting to apply a negative appellation to try and justify nerfing gameplay you don't like. (and you're doing that because you're too chickenshit to actually try and do anything about us yourself, but I digress)

EVE Online is a game about blowing up spaceships. Just like playing Monopoly, the point is to take the other person's money.

Blowing up spaceships, no matter how or why, is the point of EVE Online. Doing it is called playing the game.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Emma Muutaras
State War Academy
Caldari State
#83 - 2014-08-09 01:20:28 UTC
these arguments are fun to read.

but

eve is not only about blowing up spaceships, if it was just about that then they may as well get rid of mining/industry and of cause trading and just have npcs sell the items

EvE is a sandbox and as a sandbox people can play the way they want to play if they want to autopilot in high sec that is there choice and part of the game if it wasn't part of the game then why the hell does it give you the option to do it in the first place.

If someone wants to play it as a single player game with minimal interaction with other players again thats there choice nobody not you, not me, not mittani has the right to tell them how to play, that is kinda the point of a sandbox

The Flip side is also true its a sandbox if someone wants gank in high sec its there choice they are playing within the rules of the game, i do feel some ships are in dire need of help to defend against gankers however.

all mining barges/exhumers (skiff/procurer excluded) could do with a small hp buff (to cruiser sized tanks rather than a well fitted frig/destroy like it currently is) still gankable but at least they stand a chance

Freighters are the most vulnerable of the high sec gank targets they have no way to defend them self, they take forever to align they warp real real slow allowing any ship to over take them in warp even if they do get off the gate there highly vulnerable to bumping (which in its self i have no issue with, however bumping a ship off grid to get around gate guns smells a little bit like a exploit to me, personally i would make excessive bumping a form of griefing.)

there are more ship that could do with a bit of a look at but im not writing a dam essay.

ready for the get someone to scout you argument.

the fact is time is money and in reality you need to pay your scout for the time the fact i can make over a 100 mil a hour would mean the scout can as well so for it to be worth his/her time i would need to pay them 100mil a hour for it to be worth there time, oh and did i mention freighters are slow i mean real slow

make a alt to scout you

why should anyone be forced to have multiple accounts?




Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#84 - 2014-08-09 01:27:26 UTC
Emma Muutaras wrote:

i do feel some ships are in dire need of help to defend against gankers however.


You feel wrong.

Quote:

all mining barges/exhumers (skiff/procurer excluded) could do with a small hp buff (to cruiser sized tanks rather than a well fitted frig/destroy like it currently is) still gankable but at least they stand a chance


CCP is actually on record as having said that they went too far with the barge buffs. Since buffing them, ganking dropped off the grid with the exception of the Catalyst.


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Freighters are the most vulnerable of the high sec gank targets they have no way to defend them self,


Not true, at all. Just because they don't have guns does not mean that cannot act to defend themselves.

Oh, and by the way. If it takes twenty or thirty characters to kill a freighter, and it only takes one frigate to web the freighter into warp before anyone can bump it, which of those sounds overpowered to you?

This is entirely too easy, by the way. Scout your gates, plan your routes like you've heard of a map before, web your freighter, and don't be afk.

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however bumping a ship off grid to get around gate guns smells a little bit like a exploit to me, personally i would make excessive bumping a form of griefing.


CCP disagrees. The only way to bump someone and have it be defined as griefing is if they actually make an attempt to get away.

And autopilot doesn't count.

Nor does that rule apply if you intend to kill them, either, as then you are acting towards a purpose.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Ray Kyonhe
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#85 - 2014-08-09 01:32:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Ray Kyonhe
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:

Because you are lying.

How can you say it while lying with such a straight face yourself? Oh, wait.. Sociopaths are actually notorious for their ability to lie masterly Big smile
I said that only those choosing helpless, unable to respond and even to react (because they using the main benefit of flying inexpensive ship throuhg HS - ability to autopilot it, strictly according to game design) demonstrate sociopathic behavior. And then they usually weave a net of lies about emergent gameplay, education efforts, or that this is some kind of victory (in a war with evil bus glasses, non the less) to conceal the real reason of doing so - that they are sociopaths craving for tears. Which is actually confirms that my assumptions are true, as already said - sociopaths are masters of lies. And that even they despise themselves, so want make others believe that they a winners in some game they created in their wicked minds.

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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#86 - 2014-08-09 01:36:05 UTC
Ray Kyonhe wrote:

I said that those only choosing helpless, unable to respond and even to react (because they using the main benefit of flying inexpensive ship throuhg HS - ability to autopilot it, strictly according to game design) demonstrate sociopathic behavior.


Yes, and that is a lie.


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And that even they despise themselves, so want make others believe that they a winners in some game they crated in their wicked minds.


Actually, sociopaths are characterized by being almost free of such a thing.

You're thinking of carebears. Having chosen the path of defeat, they cannot elevate themselves, so they attempt to attack other people, thinking that if they denigrate hard enough, everyone will be even.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Ray Kyonhe
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#87 - 2014-08-09 01:43:06 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:

Yes, and that is a lie.

No, that is a truth.
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:

Actually, sociopaths are characterized by being almost free of such a thing.

Thats when their remarkable lying abilities come to the rescue - lies to themselves are the source of their high esteem. Like, we are The winners and all others are just a crybabies need to be slapped, we are The Playerbase, we are doing The right thing because We are doing it. You know how it works.

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Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#88 - 2014-08-09 02:09:15 UTC
Ray, if you think everyone who has ever shot a pixels and enjoyed it is a sociopath, why do you even play games with violence in? games like this are for mature people.

here you go

Emma Muutaras wrote:


all mining barges/exhumers (skiff/procurer excluded) could do with a small hp buff (to cruiser sized tanks rather than a well fitted frig/destroy like it currently is) still gankable but at least they stand a chance


the covetor and rettie could get one low moved to a mid, but that is it. the hulk already tanks like a cruiser and my mack tanks 4 gank fit dessies. they arent even combat ships for crying out loud.

Emma Muutaras wrote:

ready for the get someone to scout you argument.

the fact is time is money and in reality you need to pay your scout for the time the fact i can make over a 100 mil a hour would mean the scout can as well so for it to be worth his/her time i would need to pay them 100mil a hour for it to be worth there time, oh and did i mention freighters are slow i mean real slow

make a alt to scout you

why should anyone be forced to have multiple accounts?


dont be lazy, make some friends.

if its not worth while or practical, then dont haul to/from jita. there are other markets, or dont haul at all.

you are not entitled to hauling, and you certainly arent entitled to haul to jita.

EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided"

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Nianya Zahrii
Doomheim
#89 - 2014-08-09 02:13:02 UTC


[/quote]
Sociopaths are actually notorious for their ability to lie masterly [/quote]

Ray I believe you are thinking of Psychopath:

Psychopaths are unable to form emotional attachments or feel real empathy with others, although they often have disarming or even charming personalities. Psychopaths are very manipulative and can easily gain people’s trust. They learn to mimic emotions, despite their inability to actually feel them, and will appear normal to unsuspecting people. Psychopaths are often well educated and hold steady jobs. Some are so good at manipulation and mimicry that they have families and other long-term relationships without those around them ever suspecting their true nature. When committing crimes, psychopaths carefully plan out every detail in advance and often have contingency plans in place. Unlike their sociopathic counterparts, psychopathic criminals are cool, calm, and meticulous.

Anyway, this argument between you two is going nowhere, why not hang it up.
Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
Aideron Robotics.
#90 - 2014-08-09 02:15:16 UTC
Ray Kyonhe wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:

Yes, and that is a lie.

No, that is a truth.
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:

Actually, sociopaths are characterized by being almost free of such a thing.

Thats when their remarkable lying abilities come to the rescue - lies to themselves are the source of their high esteem. Like, we are The winners and all others are just a crybabies need to be slapped, we are The Playerbase, we are doing The right thing because We are doing it. You know how it works.


Are you one of those people that blames video games when people starts shooting at schools? What?

Just Add Water

Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#91 - 2014-08-09 02:24:11 UTC
Nat Silverguard wrote:

Are you one of those people that blames video games when people starts shooting at schools? What?


No, he's one of those people who thinks that only someone with a mental disorder would choose to shoot other people in a videogame.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
Aideron Robotics.
#92 - 2014-08-09 02:29:43 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Nat Silverguard wrote:

Are you one of those people that blames video games when people starts shooting at schools? What?


No, he's one of those people who thinks that only someone with a mental disorder would choose to shoot other people in a videogame.


ah, so i assume that gentleman doesn't play chess also? it's one of the bloodiest game out there....

Just Add Water

Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#93 - 2014-08-09 02:34:48 UTC
Nat Silverguard wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Nat Silverguard wrote:

Are you one of those people that blames video games when people starts shooting at schools? What?


No, he's one of those people who thinks that only someone with a mental disorder would choose to shoot other people in a videogame.


ah, so i assume that gentleman doesn't play chess also? it's one of the bloodiest game out there....


Basically any multiplayer game, since there have to be losers and all that.

For some, even the possibility of loss brings on the badfeelz.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#94 - 2014-08-09 02:41:37 UTC
i anticipate some deleted posts here sooo...

i like to scratch my bum and sniff it

/off topic post

'Can't quote this' doo doo do do, do do, do do 'Can't quote this'

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ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
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#95 - 2014-08-09 04:11:05 UTC
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