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A Carebear's Letter to CCP

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Maldiro Selkurk
Radiation Sickness
#21 - 2014-08-07 21:29:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Maldiro Selkurk
While I don't agree with everything you said I do think that CCP needs to get the huge alliances to fight and i mean fight all the time not just once a year. RvB is the only alliance that carries out routine combat and that is only because it chooses to do so and not because there is anything substantial on the line to induce them to fight.

The paradigm for EVE should be highsec lower end manufacturing, exploration, missions, etc (low income, low threat of dying), Low / wh (should be medium grade activities with constant warfare for territory), null a constant strain to hold SOV so that the payoff of better mining, bigger industry and biggest ships/battles comes at a real and constant cost)

The current fuel to run the game is highsec ganking, where it should be nullsec grand battles.

If EVEs promotional literature said we have two games to offer, one is ganking defenseless ships and the other is battles for territory and the right to create huge industrial complexes and ships, im guessing the second game would attract more players.

Yawn,  I'm right as usual. The predictability kinda gets boring really.

Samantha Floyd
Doomheim
#22 - 2014-08-07 21:47:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Samantha Floyd
How exactly is ganking too much nowadays?

If you look at the killboards for Procurer/Skiff, they almost never get ganked. So you can mine without being ganked.
If you look at the killboards for T2 fitted racial battleships, they almost never get ganked. So you can mission without being ganked.
If you look at hull-tanked Orca, they almost never get ganked. So you can boost on-grid without being ganked.
If you look at freighter pilots with an alt in a web-bonused ship, they almost never get ganked. So you can haul without being ganked.

So who exactly is falling victim to this supposed overload of ganking in highsec? You have to be either dumb or unlucky to fall into that category.
Jur Tissant
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2014-08-07 22:54:58 UTC
A lot of EVE's marketing is based on the "you get to blow other people up and steal their stuff" part of the game. Ever see those ads on your sidebar? "Be the villain"?

CONCORD response time is fine. It's really the only thing besides rats that makes 0.5 more dangerous than 0.9. Your choice as a miner or hauler is to tank your ship, haul ass at the first sign of trouble, or just risk the danger. After months of casually mining and hauling 0.5 and 0.6, I have been ganked a total of 0 times in high-sec.

The only thing I would agree with you on is that the NPE needs a bit of improvement. We don't need to drill them about scams, except to inform them that scams aren't against the rules, because part of playing EVE is learning how to detect an honest good deal from a scam. What high-sec needs is better PVE and story content, because right now any big MMO could wipe the floor with EVE when it comes to PVE.
Antillie Sa'Kan
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#24 - 2014-08-07 23:09:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Antillie Sa'Kan
Have you ever considered that maybe the reason that people gank in hisec instead of fighting in null is not because hisec is broken, but because it is actually null that is broken?
Khan Wrenth
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#25 - 2014-08-08 00:29:05 UTC
I'm offended both by the OP's weak, defeatist attitude, and that he happens to be from the same NPC corp. And people like him wonder why there was a fairly large thread discussing restricting NPC posting abilities. Shame on you. Shame on your whining, shame on your lack of appreciation for the broad range of opportunity EVE brings to people of all play styles, shame on your lack of understanding of how to keep yourself safe in any part of EVE space, and shame on your lack of HTFU.

You are safer now in ANY part of space, than you ever have been. There are tools at your disposal to use, and for whatever tactics or procedures you may not understand or be aware of, there's these forums. People openly discuss how and what they do all the time, if you listen and employ the same tactics, then you keep yourself safe.

Say whatever you will about the content of these forums, but truth be told they are a treasure trove of information about EvE mechanics, doctrines, tactics, and play styles. Having never entered many parts of the EvE galaxy, I still have a decent basic understanding of how to conduct myself to stay safe, and I can fill in the gaps by observing others and a dash of common sense.

If I must learn something through the course of being killed a few times then so be it, that is part of the EvE experience and I know enough to not let such losses cripple my finances. I also know enough not to let a few trivial losses send me crying to the forums because losses are a learning experience, not a travesty.
Commander Siverai Arcetura
Cladeistic Tendancies
#26 - 2014-08-08 00:47:45 UTC
I have been a carebear, a pirate, a miner, a Null sec block Soldier, a ganker, and a scammer in my few years with eve.

High sec should NOT be a haven to avoid PVP but instead a good place for people to understand basic mechanics of the game before inevitably leaving high sec for low and Null simply because the rewards of null and low are just that much better. This make eve safe mentality is what ruins eve and causes people to leave. And CCP has said time and time again they are fine weeding out their un-intended audience this way.

Continue the nerfs of high sec and up the allure of low and null and your going to be just fine, you just wont be able to AFK mine anymore. Big whoop
Zan Shiro
Doomheim
#27 - 2014-08-08 02:06:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Zan Shiro
So much here....

Ganking....is the way it is today because of anti gank changes already made. Go for the big one, imo. They took away insurance on ganks. Prior to this put in game I predicted gankers would get more lethal. Seems I was right here. Here was and is still my basis for this. Prior to insurance removal for concord worthy actions you got a decent chance of getting unorganized attacks on you. Scrubs, thrill seeking noobtards or peeps who said what the hell else am I gonna do to past the time so screw it.


Insurance removed....you lost this. People going in for the gank, want the gank more. They really want you popped more, its how they get paid now. Old days many half assed it since some insurance coming back their way. So they got a consolation prize.




MOre space...why? Insert blob rant here. More space expansion and grrr goons will be there. Or the other power blocs (its eve forum sop to say goons first lol).

if more space an idea....it to not feed the blocks more I would say have to be wh expansion to be viable. Which would be a problem...those that are there, are there. Those whose this is not their cup of tea...aren't and don't intend to be most likely. Might get some new peeps there...but they can shoot for this now. WH is not tied up into pretty color coded segments on a map, still some carving out of a home to do there. Not being a pet, pet of a pet, bff...whatever you want to call it.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#28 - 2014-08-08 02:28:35 UTC
Be thankful that you are in an NPC corp, OP.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Zmikund
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2014-08-08 02:31:44 UTC
Celthric Kanerian wrote:
Once you've lived in lowsec, null or in a wormhole you'll see how safe your so-called "dangerous" hisec is...


TBH ... i live in WH for almost 2 years now and its much safer than hi-sec ...

and i agree with this idea ... hi-sec should be safe place, not like now when even WH systems are safer if u play properly ...
CCP doesnt realize that gankers are some alts who cant lose anything but can make big mess ... they are basically untouchable and once u get ganked u cant get revenge, because gankers themself has nothing to lose ... i can easily imagine how this could make few ppl leave game ...
So i you are not going to reduce ganks in hi-sec, make it at least possible for players to get proper revenge after which player can say "now we are even" ...
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#30 - 2014-08-08 02:36:58 UTC
beatlebutt wrote:
If you force them into PVP they will just quit.


Quote:
Quit catering to the bullies and the people with no morals that play eve. The people that think its okay to lie, cheat, and steal because it's only a game. As long as they can kill us, they will be here. You don't have to encourage them.



I just wanted to point this hypocrisy out, as well.

"Make the people I don't like quit, or I'll quit!"

You disgust me. Trying to hold other people's gameplay hostage by threatening to withdraw your own sub. Just quit already, you yellow bellied sack of dirt. No one will miss you anyway, because you didn't really play the game.

People like you are good for nothing but being destroyed for the amusement of others. You aren't real players, you're scenery. Destructible terrain.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Anthar Thebess
#31 - 2014-08-08 06:09:58 UTC
I was always annoyed how easy is to gank someone.
I have no objections about ganking mission ship, or un tanked industrial.
Freighters on the other hand are still to soft targets, and there is really nothing that will stop you doing next gank after few minutes.
Blink
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#32 - 2014-08-08 07:51:56 UTC
Anthar Thebess wrote:

Freighters on the other hand are still to soft targets, and there is really nothing that will stop you doing next gank after few minutes.


Well, that is unless players who have a problem with ganking actually decide to do something about it.

You know, defend themselves, instead of abdicating their own defense to the magic space police.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Kaerakh
Obscure Joke Implied
#33 - 2014-08-08 08:26:19 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Anthar Thebess wrote:

Freighters on the other hand are still to soft targets, and there is really nothing that will stop you doing next gank after few minutes.


Well, that is unless players who have a problem with ganking actually decide to do something about it.

You know, defend themselves, instead of abdicating their own defense to the magic space police.

This, so much this.

Post like these make me happy.
Ray Kyonhe
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2014-08-08 10:04:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Ray Kyonhe
Kagura Nikon wrote:
Celthric Kanerian wrote:
Once you've lived in lowsec, null or in a wormhole you'll see how safe your so-called "dangerous" hisec is...



well if you afk in a hauler with 30 plex in your cargo at jita undock.. you will live less time than in a random gate in 0.0 :P

The problem is atm you can be ganked even while autopiloting t1 tanked indie with 40-150m worh of cargo - just of sheer boredom, or because it's profitable in 0,5-0,7 system. And you can't seriously suggest that every such indie should be piloted manually from hek to jita, both ways, like, 10 times per day. It simply insane and won't reward you enough. Ganking for cargos 300+m worth is understandable, but forcing all logistics in highs to be done manually devoid it of its main benefit.

Survey/voting system inbuilt to the game client: link_Reforming corp and taxation system: link_New PvE content (reward collective gameplay): link

Velicitia
XS Tech
#35 - 2014-08-08 10:23:47 UTC
Ray Kyonhe wrote:
Kagura Nikon wrote:
Celthric Kanerian wrote:
Once you've lived in lowsec, null or in a wormhole you'll see how safe your so-called "dangerous" hisec is...



well if you afk in a hauler with 30 plex in your cargo at jita undock.. you will live less time than in a random gate in 0.0 :P

The problem is atm you can be ganked even while autopiloting t1 tanked indie with 40-150m worh of cargo - just of sheer boredom, or because it's profitable in 0,5-0,7 system. And you can't seriously suggest that every such indie should be piloted manually from hek to jita, both ways, like, 10 times per day. It simply insane and won't reward you enough. Ganking for cargos 300+m worth is understandable, but forcing all logistics in highs to be done manually devoid it of its main benefit.


Or, y'know ... pack it all in plastic wrap, and hand it off to RFF.

Or, take a freighter (bring friends too).

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia

Ray Kyonhe
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#36 - 2014-08-08 10:39:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Ray Kyonhe
Velicitia wrote:


Or, y'know ... pack it all in plastic wrap, and hand it off to RFF.

Or, take a freighter (bring friends too).

The scale of different ventures can be very different, too, you know. Not everyone have enough cash to effectively outsorce logistics to 3rd party (what implies to have ability to sink a lot of isks into some goods, to fill the freighter fully, or to buy monthly portion of mats at once, which can easly require to spend billions of isks). People need to start with something, in relatively secure area. Your suggestions of no good to anyone who can't yet sink billions of isks into his ventures, and it's pretty bad decision to force those people fly hundreds jumps per day manually in painfully slow Epithal or Kryos to do it yourself, because of a couple sociopaths who blow t1 indies just because it seems fun for them and cost them almost nothing. Thats why for their first steps those who pilot t1 indies with low cost goods in cargo choose hisec in the first place - because of that they can stay under radar and do it with little profit (they just need experience), but with little effort also, untill they will become significant enough

Survey/voting system inbuilt to the game client: link_Reforming corp and taxation system: link_New PvE content (reward collective gameplay): link

Erica Rotineque
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2014-08-08 10:52:52 UTC
In a sense I agree with the post.

Yes, high sec should NOT be safe... EVE should always be ISK vs Reward.

But the reward in high sec can be so low, sometimes with huge risk. I can run a 10/10 in 0.0 with almost zero risk, and make a billion in one go. Meanwhile, a manufacturer in high sec may have to move 20B ISK of components/ships to and from jita to make the same amount of isk, but with an enormous amount of risk, to the point where people just won't do it.

Yes, many people will get up in arms about changes that make high sec safer. Purists, bitter vets, 1337 pvp mlg pros. They are so stuckup that they won't quit if changes are made. Green high sec carebears will if changes are not made, however.
Zmikund
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#38 - 2014-08-08 11:03:33 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Anthar Thebess wrote:

Freighters on the other hand are still to soft targets, and there is really nothing that will stop you doing next gank after few minutes.


Well, that is unless players who have a problem with ganking actually decide to do something about it.

You know, defend themselves, instead of abdicating their own defense to the magic space police.


if gankers want to kill freighter they will no matter what pilot do ...
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#39 - 2014-08-08 11:09:26 UTC
Zmikund wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Anthar Thebess wrote:

Freighters on the other hand are still to soft targets, and there is really nothing that will stop you doing next gank after few minutes.


Well, that is unless players who have a problem with ganking actually decide to do something about it.

You know, defend themselves, instead of abdicating their own defense to the magic space police.


if gankers want to kill freighter they will no matter what pilot do ...


Wrong, but thanks for trying, NPC alt. Your participation in these forums is both valued and warranted.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#40 - 2014-08-08 11:10:41 UTC
Ray Kyonhe wrote:
And you can't seriously suggest that every such indie should be piloted manually from hek to jita, both ways, like, 10 times per day.


Yes, I can. I can also suggest that you fit a tank, too.

Fly manually, or else you have agreed to die at the hands of whoever feels like killing you.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.