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While it is true that we have not lost a site running fleet in a while, we also close the WHs, Post scouts, anchor a temporary pos in the static, keep an eye on Dscan, Toggle the Show annoms button as much as Dscan....

What the hell are you doing!!

If you are collapsing a wormhole it's very useful if you have a critical hole with an unknown mass left. You load a HIC is 3+ bubbles, cloak, probe launcher, and a battle ship afterburner. You activate your bubbles to reduce your mass to jump through for minimal mass. Then activate the afterburner for extra mass on the way back. The cloak and probe launcher is in case you need to probe your way home. (I once ended up on a 3 day 9 WH, 2 LS systems, and 30+ HS systems return trip with my trusty HIC "Door Stop", which is why I often claim critic holes are closed enough...)

How do you manage 16 hour wormholes based on this 15 hour timer? Will wormholes with lower class statics that only last 16 hours have to be rolled every hour?

Please please add someway to tell when a wormholes exit has been opened.

For about a year I've been feeling that wormhole space has become stagnant and predictable. I don't have any facts or figures but it feels like there is far less activity in wormhole space these days.

I think that CCP need to do two things to make wormholes interesting again. Firstly they should add "new stuff" only available in wormhole space. This could include new T3 things to manufacture, a new class of wormhole or new types of sleepers (e.g roaming sleepers). This would attract new people to wormholes space and put us on a path to filling the empty systems.

Secondly, they need to add more conflict drivers. At the moment the only conflict drivers in wormhole space are the desire to pad your killboard or a grudge between two forces. K-space has lots of reasons to fight and i think we could do with similar incentives.

After we have gotten used to the mechanic changes in Hyperion, wormhole space is going to be as stagnant as it ever was IMHO. Are we going to have to wait until wormhole space becomes as dead as the low sec of old before we see real improvements?

Why are these graphs relative numbers and not hard numbers? Would not total event numbers be better for comparison ?

Relative numbers makes it easier to claim success when after the patch appears, all wh activity totals drop and ignore that there are is a significantly lower total number of wh dwellers after the
oh right.

I've been playing in a c4, c5, c2, c1 always in "small" corps (10 ~ 30 members, 80% active members )
We didn't need any update to fear K162 spawns or cloaky spy or high scale invasion.

So "making WH more dangerous ?" sounds lke turning a good a place to play into an impossible place to stay.

More WH spawning : Ok the little C1 i'm in these days had 7 WH in it... these days we were 3 actives players and alts in this WH so ... no way to play even if we all dual box we werent able to scout everything.
Like it has been said only huge corps able to force 7-8 of their members to scout, will survive. thousand of little corps like us can't survive anymore in there.

Ubber invicible over powered fregate size WH : For now you were able to keep a relative balance with WH stuffs ... everything had a parade but this is just a big finger raised to all the work you have done on WH space. Ok only fregates can jump through it but i's like a "God Mode WH trollolo" thing and we can't do anything to counterbalance it.

Your goal was not to please the players. Because for most of them you blithely trampled and destroyed their favorite playground and I am one of those players.
For what ?

Half of our members (each of them have between 2 ou 3 accounts ...) think of stopping playing .... multiply this with the number of little WH corp.


This is sad.

I do not know if CCP did something but the number of WH suddenly decreased in three of our manned systems to return to "normal" yesterday.
I hope it remains

Ok just my 2 pence worth on this

2nd static for c4s - really liked this idea and wasn't disappointed with the outcome
No harm slightly more uptake on wh control but. It's just another wh to control or roll

Frig sized whs - I can understand the idea behind why they wanted it, and initially I was well up for this in a big way in fact armed a sma full of afs ready for patch day, BUT patch day made wh space feel like they were just wh gates, it has settled down on spawn rates thank god so on the fence for a bit monitoring there spawning, draw backs is this the k162s side need adjusting or at least there description adjusted as to say it's a small wh without trying or having to jump through first (everything in eve has hints why can't the k162 side if the small whs be any different?)

After playing with them I have found them slightly pointless and no content generating especially for med/small gangs within the wh to wh small whs, the null sec ones I love, reason being there more chance to actually doing something in null other than connecting to a larger wh corp who can control there wh! At least in null you have a chance of hot footing it to a gate/celestial and getting well away from the system before others notice lm out and about, going back a little, to actually effectively use these small whs firstly you need a covert-ops to scan the entire chain down then in that time people have seen ure probes and have set up gank fleets or smart bombing bs to quickly ruin your day then pod express to hs, talking about larger corps if they see these frig whs they just carry on as normal as they know all you can possibly do is steal blue books can't actually kill anything.


Mass wh jumps - can see the idea but smaller corps are hit bad, so much time to secure or roll holes it takes much longer and less content unless you fancy spending most ure time just rolling holes before logging off, the idea though is sound but on a flip side make heavy ships stay close and lighter ships spawn further, this gives you rolling holes effectively, it also adds more flavor to ship types to fight with as it's then possible to use more faster agile Kitier ships as you'r not spawning withing killing range.

p.s. phone died before finishing

sig spawn on jump - awesome idea love it

CCP i understand that you are trying to create with regards to content and new wh mechanics ect as its been 5 years since they were touched, but they were already touched by GOD! the bare bones of WH space is still very much viable the stagnation is not so much wh space mechanics but what is in them,

the frig wh probably need to only go to low or null and even just stay in k-space-k-space in all honesty with the extra random wh spawns and extra statics that has upped the anti a little already as long as the spawn rates stay as they are.

Grav sites - should be scannable period, null hs and low has local Intell channels ect wh space has none of that and tbh the ores ain't that good for the risk reward eithr, having them as scan sigs means corps will again go back to mining, it was mentiond that the removal of the good stuff a while back was due to the high end minerals appearing to much on the hs market, with crius Indy is practically for the big stuff only worth making in null and the high ends are getting less in hs, wh space mining wouldn't have a massive knock on effect if put back to how they were and also making them scannable means more Indy corps coming back into mine in lower class whs and maybe c4s.

slightly off topic a little but straight back on honestly,

take npc ratting for instance content was made to broaden it all missions then there is incursions and ghost sites ect

sleeper AI was and still is the hardest npc in eve after 5 years of slaughter do you think they would sit by and play dumb?
wh classes were set out as solo up to mass fleets for pveing these days we have adapted and can effectively run the hardest sites in eve within 5mins or even solo, even class 4s can be run absolutely solo as in 1 ship no boosters for 90% of the sites from 8minutes minimum.

why cant the sleepers retaliate or adapt more effectively or even change tactics?
c5-6 space a vast majority of them are full of big alliances/corps that can field numerous caps and pilots
when you go lower these classes can effectively be ran by 1-2 guys max so in a nut shell corps will be thinking ok this wh class can generate enough isk to run X amount of pilots and they run at that level only "Farmers" system lay dormant for weeks
at a time, if there was a change in the pve mechanics maybe add it so all pve sites will de-spawn after 4 days regardless or being triggered or not, this would cause people to actively log into there farming corps to run there sites before they pop effectively making sleeper cells come online, more active players. 80% of c4 space has been doing that hence people misunderstanding of DEAD C4 space,

more activity more targets more whs creation from players, instead of you adding extra wh to kinda flog a dead horse as such make the players active, not force the issue with connections.

content drivers

pvp needs isk so we pve to pvp all of wh space has gotten it down to a "T" ruffle that up a little change it change the way sleepers react ect, add more types of sleepers, could even make them do similar stuff as incursions and camp whs or poses or cause random spawns or even stop all pve activity until you have searched and destroyed a hive of them in your wh or something.

sleepers/sites need a buff period the risk reward is mitigated by the ease of so much isk generated buffing lower class wh space would mean smaller corps would have to up there members meaning more players in wh space = more content