EVE General Discussion

I began my post by saying that most people that compare both games do so without looking at the big picture. The responses I got strengthen that position.

My points is not to say WOW is better than EVE, or that EVE needs to copy everything WOW has.

The point is that WOW retention is high and EVE's isn't. Why is that?

In my opinion:
1) EVE is portrayed as X on you tube when someone logs is you realize X is no where to be found.
2) Information on how to improve is unavailable in game and one needs to look for it outside game.
3) UI is ugly and there's very little customization options.

None of these suggestions are detrimental to veterans.

What is the top 3 things, in your opinion, that need improvement to retain players in general?

eve deliberately excludes the stupid and the weak willied.
wow does not.
1)npc corps need to be addressed
2)evelopedia need to be udated
3)newbies need to be exploded by other friendly players more,

Man isn't supposed to be in space, neither are cookies. Exploring EVE gives us that. However space is still unkind to us.

It would also explain Eve's primary demographic.

1) Local chat in general should be something you can join if you want to Do so. There need to be other means to determine who is in system with you (give scanning a purpose)

2) power projection/sov warfare/ destructable outposts

3) NPC corps have to be adressed. Should be attackable without war dec. AND concord reacting. This will encourage new players to join player corps and will lead to early bonding towards the community.



Additionally I think that Carthago needs to be destroyed.

I've been thinking of just lining up 100 kestrels and getting killed all day because meh.

Or joining RvB.

And yet many of us had our own "carebear days" because we didn't know there was an other option. Waste of three months if you ask me, and my rl friends that played eve at the time refuse to try the game again because they see the game as grindy.

You are well on the right track, meaning that we are even more SOL because the biggest casualty in the changes over the last year has been the lore and story of the game. I was ready to leave in 2010, then live events started. The live events were outright epic and poorly done. Poorly done? Yes - that's what made them so "real". Dropbear and cohorts took nothing and made it work perfectly the only way it could work in a game of this nature. You ever find a good sci-fi author and then find an earlier work of the same author who was more "hard edge" or brash in the earlier works and be even more impressed? That's what the live events of 2010 were like.

And the live events thing would turn out to be mere scraps. I'm not the only one being strung along but the familiar names from those days seldom show up in the forums or in my contacts now.

The introduction of SoE ships, if done "the Dropbear way", could have had some epic live events. The PoCo changes, Rubicon and the "failing of the state - rise of the capsuleer" theme could have had good live events. There are still live events but now they are simply prize bonanzas, when or if they happen, and scheduled ahead of time.

That's the worst part - scheduling them. Before incursions became incursion, there was no schedule. Sansha forces could appear at any time, any place. That stuff had us on edge for weeks. Content was built on it (SYNE of the Synenose Accord and FCORD for example) and nobody knew what was going to happen next. You either got batphoned in the Live Events channel (in the beginning there was none) OR - at best - the actor/NPC with purple text would be passing through a system you were in babbling something or calling for help - no warning or nothing.

That was real. Sh!t got real.

And they don't do that any more.


Edit: This is how the game was, years ago, where live events are concerned.

PVE requires too much more people focusing on content created, rather than player created content. Might as well be playing Freelancer.

PVE is where EVE is lacking with respect to almost every big MMO out there. People rail on WoW for having a ton of Fedex quests, and it certainly does, but they're intermixed with varied and enticing group content (raids, dungeons, etc.). In EVE you can run the same missions over and over and over and over or maybe get into an Incursion group which basically breaks down PVE to a routine.

EVE needs to provide mission chains and some real story content. We also need a real incentive to run missions as a group - providing missions geared towards groups, with higher rewards, would be a good start.