EVE General Discussion

My point was that the newbie is very likely to arrive at that conclusion even without external help, due to some stuff still not resembling the "get skill to 4, get 80% benefits" paradigm.

Regardless of how you divide ships and activities to fit the argument.

People that are not familiar with Eve's skill point progression will see total skill points equivalent to levels. Explain to these people that skills are capped at level five and whatnot, and people will still shy away. The next biggest complaint I have seen is the game is too old and people do not want to begin something that may or may not be past its prime. They rather start on the ground floor of a new game and make their mark instead of following in the footsteps of hundreds, if not thousands, of players before them.


In a certain way, this adds proof that Eve is getting a bit long in the tooth. "Oh, so fly the same ship you flew five, seven, ten years ago doing the same thing? No thanks." Understandable in this modern age that instant gratification is a strong selling point towards consumers. People do not like waiting for their food, their news, their loss of free time - faster the results, the better.


What a highly educated response - I bet you're a scholar outside these forums!

In the mean time, go fix my French Fries and don't burn them this time.

Being a bit older myself, I work with some early to middle 20 year old gamers. Whenever they have a free moment, their noses are stuck pressed against their smart phones. If they are not reading Facebook or whatever the newest site is today, then they are playing games. Similar to my memories of using a ColecoVision controller, all fingers and thumbs tapping away on those tiny screens to play a game for a fast moment. Or like another younger gamer I know, he enters some commands for what he wants his units to do and he'll get alert messages later as the action and conclusion take place. Does Eve have a smart phone application to play the game in short bursts? Weren't CCP working on such a program and they released the one in charge recently after two years of silence? Unless I do not know better, CCP seems quite behind where things are moving from a desktop computer to hand held devices. From my ~limited~ exposure, if the younger generation are not running death matches through a Play Station or X-Box rig, then they are dabbling away on their phones. All instant action that's over as fast as it started.

So tell these same gamers, "Yea, you can get some adrenaline rushes in pvp combat, assuming the other players do not run away if and when you find them."

Meanwhile, they just ran another death match on their other devices and are off doing whatever.

Just cause the young's are all about instant gratification and non stop action doesnt mean CCP and the community need to pander to them .. let them go play other games .. and "we" can continue to attract the more cerebral of the younger players and maintain our current numbers. As a corpmate i would rather have 1 good player than 10 craptastic ones.

Eve is not for everyone, nor should it be, and there should be no need to try an attract the "wrong" type of player. They detract from the game with their presence and by attempting to include them the game would be weakened.

If you tend to get sand down your shorts every time you play in a sandbox you are going to have problems later in life. One response is to slap on a bunch of impenetrable duct tape (faction gear) and then jump back into the sandbox, where other kids who know how to keep sand out of their shorts, will promptly blow you up anyway, because they know how to solve problems without the "sand in shorts", or solutions people come up with because they cant keep sand out of their shorts.

Eventually the kids grow up and "got sand" because they were beating people without (it was in their shorts instead) and learned to develop their character into the mature veterans they are today.

It really is that simple.

Where I am at in a remote camp in Alaska we have a bunch of 20 year old college students looking for experience in life before moving on to whats next. It sucks. They have no life experience or skills, except walking around like zombies because they have a college education but no practical skills and their current job isn't giving them what they think they need.

Meanwhile us older folks (Im 39) are a little more into micro-management because we have basic skills. So I can imagine what life must be like for veteran players in eve dealing with 20 year olds who are focused on one thing after another after another without having the basic skills in EVE.

That doesn't make much sense, since new players won't be familiar with that supposed paradigm or what the ships and activities even entail yet.

No, this is something they're being taught. Partly by older players who should no longer be in the newbie corps and partly by the silly assumptions fostered by the grind-to-endgame themeparks. The latter isn't something you can prevent — only educate against. The former, however, should land you the same GM treatment as the newbie system griefing and for pretty much the exact same reasons.

for me cerebral is just thinking i guess .. people who use the noggin to good effect - vice those who think thinking is for losers, or at the very least a waste of time when you could be faping or shooting something. (not trying to malign faping).

I dont know if EvE is NOT attracting everyone they should, the numbers are pretty good for a 10+ yr old game. There seems to be a constant stream of new people, and old players comming back (myself as case in point). I dont think they need to be growing to be considered be doing well, but there is a game community and there is the business.

For me the #1 thing to do to get "new" players in is to dispell the myth that arises from a 10 year old game .. that new players can not compete .. which is total BS .. i get my ass handed to me all the time by new players .. maybe not day 1, but you know what i mean. Competing in EvE is also group competition .. not just solo. The idea that a new player can join a Nullsec corp within a short period of time and be part of a winning sov war .. is just not possible in any other MMO i have played .. course they dont have Sov .. or wars .. but you cant even do PvE with players who are more than a few levels higher. Dispelling that myth out on the interweb would go a long way to attracting new players .. not changing the game that is .. but the perceptions of those who havnt tried it.

Heh.

"Everybody pile on the noob" gauntlet run missions as early PVP missions. I wonder. Like the noob has to haul a load of drugs around that makes him a suspect. I remember some goals GTA Vice City like that. If the noob gets blapped and loses the cargo, he can just go back to the station and get more from the agent - and if podded so what - the clone is practically free. Heck such a mission could even start out with making the noob relocate his clone to the proper station (with emphasis on updating it - something they should know).

Imagine that, a mission where you might get killed by other players. The crucial point of it would be to get them used to it. New players tend to get too much time to settle in these comfortable little holes and they get the habit of just grind away (and get bored). This is why I say that NPC corps should declare war on each other once in a while.


I suppose an edgy MMO that represent dark desolate space where you can trust nobody would do that. I suppose.

It does not matter whether he knows the paradigm if he is affected by its failings.

A new player will very fast know things like cloak (1 trip to low), freighter (a few trips to trade hub or first attempts at industry), t2 ships (station pvp), t2 modules with interesting requirement (first decision to use a 20m faction module or train a skill for 8days).

You cannot blame everything on wow or the mischevious bad minmaxers, even if it is convenient, ironically there is nothing more wow-like like players blaming each other for the actions and/or failings of the devs (in general, i am not bashing them this time, just arguing that your position is too extreme).

Sure I can, because there is very little else to suggest that you have to have anything to try something. Cloaks and freighters and T2 ships do not suggest that you must have them to try stuff. It is not a logical conclusion to make. Trying something pretty much implicitly means starting small — not going for the top 20% and doing nothing before you get there.

So the idea comes from when they ask about these things you mention and then get griefed by people who suggest that they must grind towards them, or if they come into the game with the thoroughly incorrect “must have purples” philosophy of the grinding game genre.