EVE General Discussion

I am in an alliance. I am the alliance founder. But I have no job now because the corps run themselves. I just pay the Concord dues for them. As things stand, I can handle that for about 50 years with what I have.

As far as the corps? One of them has been war decced 27 times. It has lost 2 ships and a pod.

As far as griefers? We all deal with those every day.

Again, good luck. :)

My mistake. You are correct.

Give it a try. :)

But what does this have to do with the original post, or the revised version? Why are you so upset? I asked a question HERE. I didn't make any statements except from personal experience.

Are you a troll or a real player?

Because you are arrogant.



I post with my main.

A mining corp with PvE branches is fine. Miners and mission runners can coexist together no problem. This is clearly not what you're asking for though so no, forcing PvP players to sit around and babysit a highsec mining operation will not work. You'll just be wasting people's time for nothing.

Combat escorts won't help at all against highsec gankers. They can't attack until the gankers turn criminal, and chances are by that time the miners are already dying. The gankers are there to lose their ships. Whether you have combat ships or not is irrelevant to that outcome.

What you need to do is tank your ships (A shield booster won't really help your tank. Just mentioning because a lot of miner killmails seem to use that and nothing else). This includes at least one boost from your Orca for extra tank. As for the newer members, if they can only fly a Venture, then provide a ship replacement program for them using some of the profits from the mining op. Ventures are dirt cheap. If they can fly a mining barge put them in a tanked Procurer.


Now if you want to ignore tank in order to max yield then fine. But don't complain about ganks then, that's the choice you made. And if you REALLY want to max yield, you'll get a lot more having everyone in tanked mining ships rather than having some of your people sitting around idly in combat ships. You generally get 3 low slots for mining barges. Put a damage control in one of them.

Also one option is to have your miners use some T1 logistic drones and assist them to the Orca. Then if the Orca is paying attention you can put the drones on the gank target and maybe save them. Not guaranteed to work though and again, the Orca needs to be paying attention. (And don't even bother saying the Orca pilot shouldn't have to pay attention during a mining op. You're getting mad at combat ship pilots for not sticking around and paying attention for hours when they have even LESS to do than the miners and are understandably falling asleep at the controls)

That's kind of the answer I was looking for. You're mad because you think I am arrogant. Not because of the thread content.

Just go far far away, and stay there.

Well, that's not really what I meant. I used to play ping pong with other mining ships that came into a belt that the corp was mining, but I finally got over it. I don't want my miners going berserk if someone else comes in, because most of them have frigate skills to Level III and that's it. So live and let live in the belts. We don't need strife. We need ISK.

Your last paragraph is perfect. I have miners in a mining corp, PvErs in a PvE corp. Haulers in a hauler corp. The only ones in the mining corp who bridge the gaps are alts of mine. Each corp does it's job. Very little friction. That's the way I like it, and why I don't need to get involved.

You make some very good points. I'm thinking about making some changes. The logi drones are a good idea, but most of my miners don't have drone skills high enough to put out a full set of LSDs. I've been carrying the logi drones in the Orca, but only armor and structure repair.

The Orca has to be on the back screen because I also fly the Obelisk and the two guard ships. Seems that NO and CODE don't like having their gankers locked by two warships as soon as they show up. They did get two barges, which I replaced, but they don't seem to come into the system we mine in anymore. Lot's of action in the system next door, but not here.

Please don't discount shield boosters. My personal miner has a 'lucky' Hulk. It has spent months in Null. It has MLU IIs in the lows, and one lonely Gisti-B shield booster.

I think you misssed a few things, but, in general, a good post.

I wrote PvE when I meant PvP. I apologize profusely for that.

Yes, they were the wrong people. It was NOT my corp. I didn't hire them, but, as FC, I had to deal with the messes they left.

We are hoping to head into Low early next year. Not sure when we will get there. There are only a few players in the corp who have experience in Low. For me? It was on the way to Null. No experience except 'drive thrus'.

I have a question about that D-Scan thing, though. The overview shows you if there is an un-cloaked ship within 150 km. D-scan doesn't show cloaked ships. What's the difference?

Well, difference is like between radar and your own eyes: if it's cloaked you won't see it and radar won't bounce its ray off of it (cloaks in Eve are not like stealth in RL, they hide you absolutely). And 150km is not exact value, you see ships/objects on grid up to that grid boundary and grid boundaries can be manipulated.

Also overview shows you only things that are of one of types you selected in Filters and have ALL states you selected in States in overview settings. D-scan shows you everything you selected in Filters but it doesn't take States into account. So you might see your corpies on d-scan while you don't see them in your "pvp" overview tab (usually it's not a good idea to have your corp/alliance/blues in same tab as things you can/should shoot at).

And another thing: d-scan doesn't show you things like asteroids, beacons, large collidable objects and such even if you have them selected in your overview settings. But it will show you probes, corpses, wrecks, cargo containers and of course celestials, stations, towers and other POS stuff and of course ships.