Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Perhaps the simplest solution is to add a draw back to stabbed ships in FW sites: increased capture time per stab.

Stabs are fine and shouldnt be changed.

If there is a specific FW mechanic that needs to change then it should be dealt with indepently.

Dude, your wish for no stabs is bad and here is why:

If you remove every possibility for unwilling players to be in space with at least a modicum of protection against attacks, you just remove most of those players from your plexes.

Result: Next time you search for targets you won't find a T1-frigate you may or may not catch, you find nothing. Have fun!

i've been playing FW on/off for the past 6 months roughly. Haven't gotten into a fight with anything stabbed, except a salvager heron that was on a gate i warped to. If they're stabbed and get away... oh well, maybe try roaming the more active FW area's where people actually want to fight/defend, instead of some backwater system that no one pays attention to.

I dont agree with the OP people should be able to fit what ever they want... let me use my bombs in FW

I agree with you and like i said on the main post: removing stabbs from the game itself is very iffy and in the end might not be tottaly right or adequate. But limit the use yes, especially in fw situations at least. Penalties like the ones enumerated before this answer are interesting.

The counter to stabs in FW plexes is that the rats are now moar stronk, and they respawn about every 2 minutes. Militia members wanting to run the plexes must now fit some DPS, which means less slots for stabs. Just make a dual point setup and you will catch moar of the risk-averse militia members.

I entirely agree with your concern about fw. But I think your proposal only addresses a symptom and will not really help faction war.

Did you know that its likely people in stabbed ships actually let you get a point before warping? That is because they want you to know its worthless chasing them.

If you remove stabs they will just warp off faster. They see you on the dscan. They know you are coming. You won't get more kills. The only way you will get more kills is if you are ganking defensive plexers who have throw away alts in throw away ships. But loading killboards with them is not really good for the game either.

In order to fix faction war people entering plexes have to assume they will need to fight to hold the plex. As long as the most efficient way to capture plexes is by fitting your ship to avoid pvp and run fw will remain broken.

There are 2 ways to solve the actual problem and not just deal with symptoms. 1) Give militias intel on exactly where plex timers are being run and 2) make it so that if someone warps off the plex timer will rollback.

If ccp implemented these 2 things then they would not need to make special rules about stabs. That is because it would no longer be so efficient to plex in a non pvp fit ship. They would know they need to be ready to fight for each plex if they hope to capture them and their behavior (including their ship fittings) will reflect that.

Edit: BTW CCP has said they intend to do both of these things we just need to keep them focused on it.

Its far from clear that "most" fw characters are not just farmers themselves. If you consider how many characters actually participate in say burn huola or burn okkamon and then look at how many actual characters are in fw I think you will see my point.

Just because the rabbit plexers are running defensive plexes doesn't make fw occupancy any less of an embarrassment.

Good ideas, but I still think forcing them moving into the some kind of "bubble" which won't allow them to warp away immideately, is a good method to counteract such tactics too. But resetting timer will blend in perfectly anyway.