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Grudges, The Fuel of Eve Online?
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Malcolm Shinhwa
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#41 - 2014-08-05 19:41:19 UTC
Without pretend enemies for made up reasons, what would be the point of EVE? Hopefully most of us understand the "pretend" part. IRL I'd have a beer with just about anyone in this game.

[i]"The purpose of fighting is to win. There is no possible victory in defense. The sword is more important than the shield and skill is more important than either. The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental[/i]."
Marsha Mallow
#42 - 2014-08-05 19:43:40 UTC
Caviar Liberta wrote:
John Ending wrote:
its just a game man


Then why so many Non-Aggression Pacts amongst major sov holders in null sec?

Because the alternative is to de-NAP then attempt to grind through a squillion systems and see which coalition dies first of boredom.

Ripard Teg > For the morons in the room:

Sweets > U can dd my face any day
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#43 - 2014-08-05 19:51:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Xuixien
Stoseph Stuarts wrote:
@ Xuixien .. you must be so famous everyone knows your name, oh wait I doubt many have heard of your name and I doubt anyone would care about you. Want to know why? .. what you do people only find interesting for a brief amount of time and only carry it on for so long. Also it would seem the articles on your 'antics' were not important enough to stand out from the many others out their about 'criminals'.


Well, you know my name, and what I've done in EVE... and I have no idea who you are, so...

I don't understand why you're so angry. Are you holding an EVE grudge? Cool I never set out to become well-known. A small level of fame was never my goal. I was just playing the game the way I wanted to, and started seeing my name mentioned in blogs and people asking if they could interview me. (I'm a terrible interview, BTW, I don't know how anyone can stand interviewing me lol). I never thought what I did was that special, or in any way important. But it ended up touching people's lives in-game, inspiring some, and infuriating others. And for this, I am truly thankful. Very few games out there allow the Butterfly Effect ("sensitive dependence on initial conditions") the way EVE Online does. It's truly remarkable and blows my mind.

For example, I AWOX'd a corp on my alt, blowing up an Orca and a few mining ships. Later, I receive an EVEmail from one of my victims, explaining that they were mad at me at first, but that they were no longer bored with the game and no longer thinking about quitting it. Instead, they went to FW and are now an up and coming FC. My actions affected them, and inspired them to do something that is now affecting hundreds of other pilots. That's the Butterfly Effect and why I love this game.

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist
Carniflex
StarHunt
Mordus Angels
#44 - 2014-08-05 20:21:55 UTC
You get over it eventually when you play long enough. I mean getting emotional over who you shoot or who you are allied with as if you are around long enough you end up allied with every possible powerblock and end up shooting everyone.

Grudges .. yeah .. you will collect some of these. But these are very personal things you hold dear. A corp theft involving personal betrayal, for example. Things that burn in you through the years even after the original culprit has long since quite the game after you hunting him for few years.

Here, sanity... niiiice sanity, come to daddy... okay, that's a good sanity... THWONK! GOT the bastard.
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#45 - 2014-08-05 20:33:16 UTC
Carniflex wrote:
You get over it eventually when you play long enough. I mean getting emotional over who you shoot or who you are allied with as if you are around long enough you end up allied with every possible powerblock and end up shooting everyone.

Grudges .. yeah .. you will collect some of these. But these are very personal things you hold dear. A corp theft involving personal betrayal, for example. Things that burn in you through the years even after the original culprit has long since quite the game after you hunting him for few years.


Nothing is as infuriating as stolen vengeance. Like an itch you can't scratch.

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist
Serene Repose
#46 - 2014-08-05 20:48:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Serene Repose
To quote a very bad actor in almost as bad a role, from a movie that seemed really really good at first...but upon closer inspection and through the test of time...not so much:

"They hit us...so....we hit them back."


("'Highsec miners may say they come for the ice and ore, but I give them what they really need: Purpose, dignity, structure, order, guidance, leadership. They ask what I am "saving" them from. I save the miners from themselves." This is something people in CODE would say, and it's being used as research material to study the long-term effects of arrested development. What is of particular interest to mental health professionals is how the authors and adherents could possibly view themselves as people of any significance, except to one another [for whatever bizarre reasons that may be.])

We must accommodate the idiocracy.
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#47 - 2014-08-05 21:10:38 UTC
Serene Repose wrote:
What is of particular interest to mental health professionals is how the authors and adherents could possibly view themselves as people of any significance, except to one another [for whatever bizarre reasons that may be.)


Probably all the threadnaughts carebears post about them.

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist
Serene Repose
#48 - 2014-08-05 21:25:41 UTC
Xuixien wrote:
Serene Repose wrote:
What is of particular interest to mental health professionals is how the authors and adherents could possibly view themselves as people of any significance, except to one another [for whatever bizarre reasons that may be.)


Probably all the threadnaughts carebears post about them.
We have sent this comment to the laboratory. Our specialists hope to make sense of it within the week.

We must accommodate the idiocracy.
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#49 - 2014-08-05 21:32:56 UTC
Serene Repose wrote:
Xuixien wrote:
Serene Repose wrote:
What is of particular interest to mental health professionals is how the authors and adherents could possibly view themselves as people of any significance, except to one another [for whatever bizarre reasons that may be.)


Probably all the threadnaughts carebears post about them.
We have sent this comment to the laboratory. Our specialists hope to make sense of it within the week.


The fact that they've gotten such a strong reaction from the mining/greater EVE community is the very definition of the word "significance". No need for a lab to analyze it. ;)

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist
Paranoid Loyd
#50 - 2014-08-05 21:40:02 UTC
Stoseph, when are you going to man-up and defend your comments?

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!
Stoseph Stuarts
Coterie Research and Development
#51 - 2014-08-05 21:55:07 UTC
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Stoseph, when are you going to man-up and defend your comments?

Sounds like you might be getting butthurt, I think i'm going to refrain from commenting incase further comments hurt you so much to the point where you form a grudge against me. Same goes for that WH dude, only reason I know of him was due to him to trying to scam me in the past (it didn't succeed either time).
Paranoid Loyd
#52 - 2014-08-05 21:58:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
I am not sure how you would perceive that I am butthurt especially considering my comments at the beginning of this thread.

I am particularly interested in your comment about how awoxing and corp theft is not content.

I realize you talked yourself into a corner and probably cant back your comments so I will take you refusal of reply as admitting you shouldn't have said it.

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#53 - 2014-08-05 22:06:15 UTC
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
I am not sure how you would perceive that I am butthurt especially considering my comments at the beginning of this thread.

I am particularly interested in your comment about how awoxing and corp theft is not content.

I realize you talked yourself into a corner and probably cant back your comments so I will take you refusal of reply as admitting you shouldn't have said it.


I think he was trying to dismiss other people's playstyles as "invalid" or "not real content" as a knee-jerk reaction inspired by :feelings:, but when confronted realizes he put his foot in his mouth and is now resorting to "lolumad" level discourse.

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist
Stoseph Stuarts
Coterie Research and Development
#54 - 2014-08-05 22:06:32 UTC
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
I am not sure how you would perceive that I am butthurt especially considering my comments at the beginning of this thread.

I am particularly interested in your comment about how awoxing and corp theft is not content.

I realize you talked yourself into a corner and probably cant back your comments so I will take you refusal of reply as admitting you shouldn't have said it.

ok then if you really want a reply I will reply to that comment from the WH dude.
Paranoid Loyd
#55 - 2014-08-05 22:13:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
Stoseph Stuarts wrote:
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
I am not sure how you would perceive that I am butthurt especially considering my comments at the beginning of this thread.

I am particularly interested in your comment about how awoxing and corp theft is not content.

I realize you talked yourself into a corner and probably cant back your comments so I will take you refusal of reply as admitting you shouldn't have said it.

ok then if you really want a reply I will reply to that comment from the WH dude.


Comment retraction accepted. Please think before you post in the future. Blink

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!
Stoseph Stuarts
Coterie Research and Development
#56 - 2014-08-05 22:14:39 UTC
Xuixien wrote:
Stoseph Stuarts wrote:
@ Xuixien .. you must be so famous everyone knows your name, oh wait I doubt many have heard of your name and I doubt anyone would care about you. Want to know why? .. what you do people only find interesting for a brief amount of time and only carry it on for so long. Also it would seem the articles on your 'antics' were not important enough to stand out from the many others out their about 'criminals'.


Well, you know my name, and what I've done in EVE... and I have no idea who you are, so...

I don't understand why you're so angry. Are you holding an EVE grudge? Cool I never set out to become well-known. A small level of fame was never my goal. I was just playing the game the way I wanted to, and started seeing my name mentioned in blogs and people asking if they could interview me. (I'm a terrible interview, BTW, I don't know how anyone can stand interviewing me lol). I never thought what I did was that special, or in any way important. But it ended up touching people's lives in-game, inspiring some, and infuriating others. And for this, I am truly thankful. Very few games out there allow the Butterfly Effect ("sensitive dependence on initial conditions") the way EVE Online does. It's truly remarkable and blows my mind.

For example, I AWOX'd a corp on my alt, blowing up an Orca and a few mining ships. Later, I receive an EVEmail from one of my victims, explaining that they were mad at me at first, but that they were no longer bored with the game and no longer thinking about quitting it. Instead, they went to FW and are now an up and coming FC. My actions affected them, and inspired them to do something that is now affecting hundreds of other pilots. That's the Butterfly Effect and why I love this game.

I know your name and your scamming because you have tried it on me in the past and failed twice, you made so much of an impression on me i'd not heard of you since then until you've commented on my thread.

If you don't mind I would like to see some links to some of these blog posts about you as frankly I've never heard of you outside of my personal experience with you. I highly doubt your gank on this corp you speak of drove this guy to become an FC. I will agree on the fact by tearing about his corp you drove this 1 guy to something he enjoys but what about the other members of this corp if they stopped playing I see that more of a negative outcome to content creation. In my eyes content creation is used for the good and to keep people playing the game, inspiring them to achieve greater things. Yes you did this for one person but again it was one person the others he flew with, do you know whats happened to them?
Stoseph Stuarts
Coterie Research and Development
#57 - 2014-08-05 22:16:10 UTC
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Stoseph Stuarts wrote:
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
I am not sure how you would perceive that I am butthurt especially considering my comments at the beginning of this thread.

I am particularly interested in your comment about how awoxing and corp theft is not content.

I realize you talked yourself into a corner and probably cant back your comments so I will take you refusal of reply as admitting you shouldn't have said it.

ok then if you really want a reply I will reply to that comment from the WH dude.


Comment retraction accepted. Please think before you post in the future. Blink

I've just replied to him and you can see that response, the reason i'm taking a while to reply at the moment is that I am mapping out more moons and creating some kill mail content surrounding my findings. https://zkillboard.com/related/30002555/201408021800/ that kill report shows a fight which occurred over an R64 in Heimatar low sec.
Paranoid Loyd
#58 - 2014-08-05 22:16:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
Google is hard

http://touringneweden.blogspot.com/2013/06/an-interview-with-awoxer.html

http://belligerentundesirables.com/2013/10/31/back-to-back-golem-murder/

http://www.minerbumping.com/2013/11/the-fraud-squad.html

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#59 - 2014-08-05 22:26:30 UTC
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Google is hard

http://www.touringneweden.net/category/interviews/xuixien/

http://touringneweden.blogspot.com/2013/06/an-interview-with-awoxer.html


I told ya, I'm a terrible interviewee. Someone from reddit just interviewed me the other day and I just rambled on and on my high pitched, nasally voice. I don't know how they managed to stand me for over an hour. I even requested that they transcribe the interview if they ever publish any of it, just to save me the embarrassment of people hearing me lol.

Stoseph Stuarts wrote:
I highly doubt your gank on this corp you speak of drove this guy to become an FC.


Well, maybe he was lying in his mail to me, then.

Stoseph Stuarts wrote:
Yes you did this for one person but again it was one person the others he flew with, do you know whats happened to them?


I do keep up on all my victims. I keep them on contact lists under a special label and follow up on what corps they're in and what they're doing. Surprisingly, only a few have quit. And many have abandoned boring solo PvE playstyles for more interactive group play.

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist
Serene Repose
#60 - 2014-08-05 22:26:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Serene Repose
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Google is hard
http://touringneweden.blogspot.com/2013/06/an-interview-with-awoxer.html
http://belligerentundesirables.com/2013/10/31/back-to-back-golem-murder/
Oh man! Such notable publications! *makes note* Next stop 60 Minutes!

Xuixien wrote:
The fact that they've gotten such a strong reaction from the mining/greater EVE community is the very definition of the word "significance". No need for a lab to analyze it. ;)
I'm so sorry I missed this. *taps low-level interest lamp* Nope. Everything's working just fine.

We must accommodate the idiocracy.