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Grudges, The Fuel of Eve Online?
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Stoseph Stuarts
Coterie Research and Development
#1 - 2014-08-05 05:18:47 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Tyrozan
During my time playing this wonderful game I have noticed many groups come and go. Some have been spectacular others were simply not. A common theme to a lot of groups successes comes from their drives to achieve what they have set out to do, an example of this could be the massive B-R5RB fight that happened in January 2014. This fight occurred because of a war waged by the N3/PL forces against the RUS forces on the eastern side of New Eden, CFC was introduced into this war because allegedly they wanted to help out their Russian friends. In reality the CFC coalition got involved as they had their own grudges to settle against the N3/PL side from previous wars that had taken place. Throughout this war the CFC/RUS forces were mainly dominating the battlefields with the exception of one or two fights. Towards the end of this war CFC, on a high from its many victories, decided to hell camp the Nulli Secunda (S2N) staging system of 0-W778. S2N forces losing many battles were becoming very unmotivated forming many grudges against the CFC, which still exist today, giving them the fuel they needed to collectively strike back at their oppressors. The N3/PL forces capitalised on this advance and pushed back the defenders causing the Russians to fall back to both the Curse and Stain NPC null sec regions. EDIT: Killboard links are only allowed in Crime and Punishment, Forum rule 34. Posting of kill reports outside of the Crime & Punishment forum channel is prohibited. - ISD Tyrozan


Above is an example of a large scale grudge match between the big coalitions but out there in the universe there are many many smaller examples of grudges. For example in high sec regions an alliance called CODE. exists, a quote from the CODE. website explains their purpose quite well;

'Highsec miners may say they come for the ice and ore, but I give them what they really need: Purpose, dignity, structure, order, guidance, leadership. They ask what I am "saving" them from. I save the miners from themselves.'

As can be imagined this has upset hundreds if not thousands of Eve Online players since CODE.'s conception.


To me personally I feel like grudges are a huge factor in the thought process of everyone in the game whether you be a 'tyrannical' leader such as The Mittani or a lowly eve online player such as Auroch Uruz. I would like to know in the comments below what your thoughts on this topic are, and if you have had any grudges relating to eve in the past what they were over.
John Ending
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2014-08-05 05:23:06 UTC
its just a game man
Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2014-08-05 05:25:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Sibyyl
I'm not really a person to hold grudges, but my experience in EVE has been somewhat on an opposite vector. There is a growing list of people I 'owe a good deed' for and being able to deliver on that is one of the motivations I feel to get better in the game..



Edit: I'm making you sick, aren't I?

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Eternus8lux8lucis
Guardians of the Gate
RAZOR Alliance
#4 - 2014-08-05 07:38:40 UTC
I refuse to hold a grudge in game.

Now that being said Ill kill anyone thats not blue to me but wont go out of my way too.Twisted

Have you heard anything I've said?

You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?

That's right.

Had to end sometime.
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#5 - 2014-08-05 07:45:41 UTC
EVE is a game where one needs enemies to shoot at. Grudges are a simple way to gain and retain enemies. I doubt many of those grudges are serious but just a way to decide on a preferred target. Just like in sports. Only idiot hooligans take those grudges too seriously. And even those just look for an excuse to beat each other's heads in.

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New Mining Mechanics
Paranoid Loyd
#6 - 2014-08-05 08:02:38 UTC
Grudge is the wrong word, conflict is the word you are looking for.

Conflict fuels Eve.

Grudges are for people that take their spacepixels too seriously.

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#7 - 2014-08-05 08:05:02 UTC
I've held some grudges, and paid them all back in triplicate.

That said, today's reds are tomorrow's blues, and vice versa. If a grudge isn't generating content, then it's stupid and you should probably get over it.

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Grog Aftermath
Doomheim
#8 - 2014-08-05 08:14:51 UTC
Stoseph Stuarts wrote:
For example in high sec regions an alliance called CODE. exists, a quote from the CODE. website explains their purpose quite well;

'Highsec miners may say they come for the ice and ore, but I give them what they really need: Purpose, dignity, structure, order, guidance, leadership. They ask what I am "saving" them from. I save the miners from themselves.'



If anyone truly believes that then I think they're quite delusional.
Ocih
Space Mermaids
#9 - 2014-08-05 08:45:10 UTC
Motive is essential to anything that isn't survival and it's a video game so survival isn't really a factor.

It's true, all too often EVE is motivated by negative things and a Grudge can be on of them. I try not to go there but have been pulled in to that rabbit hole a time or two.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2014-08-05 09:08:22 UTC
A good hunter will catch his prey.

A great hunter will convince the prey to come to him.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#11 - 2014-08-05 09:12:42 UTC
John Ending wrote:
its just a game man


EVE is real.
Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#12 - 2014-08-05 09:30:49 UTC
And racism fuels chess...

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Christine Peeveepeeski
Low Sec Concepts
#13 - 2014-08-05 10:29:26 UTC
Of course you can have an eve grudge. I have a few myself but it doesn't mean i actually step away from the computer thinking 'OMG I HATE THAT GUY GRRRR' it's just a reason to log in and target someone beyond just 'ooooh pretty space explosions'.
Super spikinator
Hegemonous Conscripts
#14 - 2014-08-05 10:38:02 UTC
Tears. Tears is what fuels eve.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#15 - 2014-08-05 10:41:04 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
John Ending wrote:
its just a game man


EVE is real.

Still a game though

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Marsha Mallow
#16 - 2014-08-05 13:00:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Marsha Mallow
Promoting large scale campaigns with melodramatic rhetoric is an effective way of giving the grunts a reason to fight. Simply saying "we need something to do, let's go shoot x" isn't enough to keep people engaged. Particularly given that sov-warfare is a life sucking grindfest. Crafting a narrative, and effectively marketing it, is as much part of the battle as the actual fights. The losers have tended to be particularly bad at it, both publically and internally.

Some of it clearly is a bit tongue-in-cheek. Plenty of people across the game have been blue at some point, and at a personal level get on reasonably well. It is absolutely hilarious watching various parties fall for the hype and start chanting and screeching about old grudges. Bear in mind with coalitions the size they are at the moment, there are probably tons of people with blues they despise and reds they are friendly with. Most people only know high level alliance players from reading forum posts/blogs or listening to announcements - but they'll quite happily declare they "hate" someone. Which is about as reasonable as my 14 year old cousin announcing she hates Miley Cyrus, but v0v making stupid statements seems to be competitive sport.

There is an element of the grudge mentality that is genuine though. Sov warfare in particular requires so much effort when people lose it matters. Some corps and alliances fold after losing their space and a portion of their players quit altogether, either due to burnout or frustration with game mechanics. It is just a game, and they are just pixels, but losing actual spacefriends over conflicts/mechanics is a reality and can make people incredibly bitter towards the victors (and CCP).

At a personal level, most of my contacts are people I've set red (still have some from when I started playing). Not because I have a massive grudge, I'm largely indifferent and most of the time chat as normal on running into them. It's partly a memory aid, otherwise after a while you forget people who have irked you and you just end up with a vague bad feeling. If the opportunity is there shooting their pixels would be fun, but chances are they'll probably kill me first (or be annoying again) so it's also a useful "run away/avoid" label.

Ripard Teg > For the morons in the room:

Sweets > U can dd my face any day
Stoseph Stuarts
Coterie Research and Development
#17 - 2014-08-05 13:45:50 UTC
John Ending wrote:
its just a game man

Didn't you hear man? Eve is oh so real!
Stoseph Stuarts
Coterie Research and Development
#18 - 2014-08-05 13:47:12 UTC
Sibyyl wrote:
I'm not really a person to hold grudges, but my experience in EVE has been somewhat on an opposite vector. There is a growing list of people I 'owe a good deed' for and being able to deliver on that is one of the motivations I feel to get better in the game..



Edit: I'm making you sick, aren't I?

Lol no you're not making me sick. But of course for every negative there is a positive and maybe the next article I write will be about good deeds and you'll be included in it ;)
Stoseph Stuarts
Coterie Research and Development
#19 - 2014-08-05 13:48:36 UTC
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Grudge is the wrong word, conflict is the word you are looking for.

Conflict fuels Eve.

Grudges are for people that take their spacepixels too seriously.

Well if you want to get technical man then grudges are what cause conflict and conflict is what causes content. My ultimate goal is create content so maybe I have a grudge or two of my own i'm acting on ;)
Stoseph Stuarts
Coterie Research and Development
#20 - 2014-08-05 13:50:23 UTC
Grog Aftermath wrote:
Stoseph Stuarts wrote:
For example in high sec regions an alliance called CODE. exists, a quote from the CODE. website explains their purpose quite well;

'Highsec miners may say they come for the ice and ore, but I give them what they really need: Purpose, dignity, structure, order, guidance, leadership. They ask what I am "saving" them from. I save the miners from themselves.'



If anyone truly believes that then I think they're quite delusional.

Lol i'm not saying it's 100% true but they do claim that to be their purpose and it does make a lot of players angry to the point of holding a grudge.
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