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Goonswarm and The Goonwaffe

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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#21 - 2014-08-04 23:12:20 UTC
To answer pretty much all the points. It's because the Goons play the metagame, not the game.
Meaning they use spies that spend five years being good alliance mates, fine leaders, skilled FC's, then suddenly if the goons decide you are about to actually achieve a real victory against them they turn on you.
You know your current best friend in game, yea, odds are :).
Unless you believe that it was a random mistake that the goons just happened to have their entire supercap fleet ready to go for B-R, that massive thefts & disbandings have happened over the years all the way back to BOB whenever anyone fights the goons on a scale to threaten the goons in game.

All credit to them for playing the metagame well though. But the reality is when someone plays the metagame to win instead of the game, things get dirty. And players get hurt, not just characters.
Gallowmere Rorschach
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2014-08-04 23:18:30 UTC
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
All credit to them for playing the metagame well though. But the reality is when someone plays the metagame to win instead of the game, things get dirty. And players get hurt, not just characters.

That last part reminded me of this:
Sad Face
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#23 - 2014-08-04 23:20:13 UTC
Klandi wrote:
Goons - have a good grip on the game mechanics and exploit them - there ... said it.

Your use of the word exploit, while correct in denotative meaning, isn't so correct in connotative meaning. Particularly in this context.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Christopher AET
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2014-08-04 23:28:04 UTC
1) How does Goonswarm maintain influential control over the entire game?

Numbers and a good grasp of the political metagame.

2) What drives them to destroy the game?

That may once have been their goal but I do not believe that is any longer the case.

3) Why are they unstoppable?

Nullsec right now is the unstoppable force and the immovable object. So if Goons are unstoppable guess that makes us immovable. Of course in the context of the next few years of nullsec we will see. I have seen the "nullsec is dead so and so has won" argument trotted out many times over the years.

4) Why can't all the powerful alliances team up and end Goonswarm once and for all?

Because their allies are so numerous that the remaining alliances have indeed teamed up leading to something of a stalemate, time will tell which side flinches first.

5) How does one kill a Goon?

Well I cannot tell you that secret. But it involves a horse, a potato and about 3 metres of synthetic rope.............and more laxatives than one person can reasonably buy without arousing suspicion.

I drain ducks of their moisture for sustenance.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#25 - 2014-08-04 23:34:18 UTC
Robert Sawyer wrote:

5) How does one kill a Goon?


Guns work quite well. They're just players like any other, their leadership is just better organized.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Thead Enco
Thunderwaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#26 - 2014-08-04 23:45:52 UTC
Robert Sawyer wrote:
Ever since I've heard of EVE, the most terrifying tale is that of Goonswarm.
After looking up their history, they had two Great Wars with an alliance called Band of Brothers, which was defeated. After that, CFC was born.
They seem to have their roots in the Something Awful forums. I've paid a visit there and no post seems to make sense. All their content seems to be primarily composed of stupidity, racism and homophobia. Their fleet is also made out of reckless players that have no moral qualities whatsoever. And now, I'm telling you, CFC: do you really want your alliance to be that low? An alliance represented by trolls and the lowest scum the Internet has seen? You are better than that!
Now, I want to initiate a lil' poll. Who disagrees with Goonswarm and who doesn't?

*Rant time over, question time

1) How does Goonswarm maintain influential control over the entire game?
2) What drives them to destroy the game?
3) Why are they unstoppable?
4) Why can't all the powerful alliances team up and end Goonswarm once and for all?
5) How does one kill a Goon?


Well.................
Kharaxus
Eve Academy Corporation
#27 - 2014-08-04 23:56:29 UTC
Well.................

That is EXACTLY how you kill Goonies.
The Mittani
State War Academy
Caldari State
#28 - 2014-08-05 00:04:07 UTC
muh space-honor~

~hi~
Gallowmere Rorschach
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2014-08-05 00:04:52 UTC
Well, since this has apparently turned into a YouTube link thread:
Goonies Never Die
Thead Enco
Thunderwaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#30 - 2014-08-05 00:09:09 UTC
Kharaxus wrote:
Well.................

That is EXACTLY how you kill Goonies.



No..No..No...

Goons never die, They endure
PotatoOverdose
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#31 - 2014-08-05 00:24:26 UTC  |  Edited by: PotatoOverdose
Robert Sawyer wrote:


1) How does Goonswarm maintain influential control over the entire game?
2) What drives them to destroy the game?
3) Why are they unstoppable?
4) Why can't all the powerful alliances team up and end Goonswarm once and for all?
5) How does one kill a Goon?


1) Lots of F1 monkeys. And they don't control the entire game. They've been repeatedly kicked out of wormholes, their less intelligent members regularly die to incompetent war deccers in hisec (same is true of every alliance though) , and at most they control half of nullsec. So at best maybe 15%-25% of the game, if even that.

2) They aren't really destroying the game. They're probably a net positive, while they may do things I disagree with (*cough* doxxing *cough*), overall they've probably helped the game more than they hurt it e.g. tracking titan nerfs, super nerfs, and getting a gaming media sh*t storm rolling on incarna/summer of rage.

3) Lot's of F1 monkeys. But they're not unstoppable. Wormhole dwellers stomped them repeatedly. Likewise, their renter empire (Greater Western ...) is bleeding members slowly, but consistently due to ongoing harassment from a slew of entities.

4) They lack either the raw power or the willpower to do so. Sov warfare sucks because ~insert narrative of choice~. Also, treaties.

5) Interceptors work. So do bombers and blops, but I prefer intys.
Gallowmere Rorschach
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2014-08-05 00:31:06 UTC
PotatoOverdose wrote:

5) Interceptors work. So do bombers and blops, but I prefer intys.

I think I like you.
So much QQ about ceptors getting nullified, but my god has it helped to make things interesting...especially in dead end ratting systems that used to be relatively safe when heavily bubblewrapped.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#33 - 2014-08-05 00:32:39 UTC
Vauss Dutan
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
#34 - 2014-08-05 00:38:57 UTC
I approve of their place in the verse.

They are some of the best content creators in Eve.

RoAnnon
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#35 - 2014-08-05 00:47:31 UTC
Robert Sawyer wrote:

5) How does one kill a Goon?


You could wait until he accidentally lets his siege module start a second cycle, then doomsday his naglfar when the rest of the fleet warps off to reinf. the next tower.... :/

So, you're a bounty hunter. No, that ain't it at all. Then what are you? I'm a bounty hunter.

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Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#36 - 2014-08-05 00:49:39 UTC
Goon alt detected.

~ Professional Forum Alt  ~
Xavier Holtzman
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#37 - 2014-08-05 01:36:49 UTC
Robert Sawyer wrote:
Ever since I've heard of EVE, the most terrifying tale is that of Goonswarm.
After looking up their history, they had two Great Wars with an alliance called Band of Brothers, which was defeated. After that, CFC was born.
They seem to have their roots in the Something Awful forums. I've paid a visit there and no post seems to make sense. All their content seems to be primarily composed of stupidity, racism and homophobia. Their fleet is also made out of reckless players that have no moral qualities whatsoever. And now, I'm telling you, CFC: do you really want your alliance to be that low? An alliance represented by trolls and the lowest scum the Internet has seen? You are better than that!
Now, I want to initiate a lil' poll. Who disagrees with Goonswarm and who doesn't?

*Rant time over, question time

1) How does Goonswarm maintain influential control over the entire game?
2) What drives them to destroy the game?
3) Why are they unstoppable?
4) Why can't all the powerful alliances team up and end Goonswarm once and for all?
5) How does one kill a Goon?



Who?

I do not like the men on this spaceship. They are uncouth and fail to appreciate my better qualities. I have something of value to contribute to this mission if only they would realize it. - Bill Frug
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#38 - 2014-08-05 01:47:34 UTC
Who is your daddy, and what does he do?






Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Cancel Align NOW
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#39 - 2014-08-05 02:02:38 UTC
Nice advertising. OP, you make the goonies look fun.
NEONOVUS
Mindstar Technology
Goonswarm Federation
#40 - 2014-08-05 02:03:12 UTC
The Mittani wrote:
muh space-honor~

Is that the thing you use to get the other guy at a disadvantage before you render their ship available for the salvaging fleet?
Preferably en masse