Wormholes

For dreads, it's stupidly OP. Jump through the hole, instantly in optimal @ 40km away.

Let the blapfest begin!

Wow this makes it hard for me because I have to move all my ships out to kspace and unsub my accounts.

AOE 2 has been on special for $5, that's right guys, FIVE DOLLARS!! Get on that! Best fun I've ever had in a long time.


P.S. I know you have to try and make content to keep your job Fozzie, but the self-destructive nature in which the game has been changed lately will be costing you all your jobs. Sorry to say but yea, every large wormhole space entity can see it now that we're in the final days of EVE.

Fozzie, There has been quite an outpouring of negative feelings regarding this change.

It appears to offer no positive features and a host of negative side effects, which are more like major destructive features than side effects.

Whatever the range you decide on will only make it more or less of a unwanted idea. Never a wanted one.

It seems that this will actually have entirely the opposite effect to the one you wish to see.

It is very hard to see where this Idea could have come from, as only a very very few could benefit from such a change, and only until there were no victims left for them to cull.

It seems that a pattern is emerging, that Large, small and medium corps are all thoroughly disliking some of the suggestions coming forth, you may have Internal advisors, external advisors or CSM advisors. You may need to look at your advisors motives, as they are NOT the views or wishes of worm hole occupants.

If it is a CSM advisor, please let us know Who so we have plenty of time to launch a mass campaign to ensure he never has the opportunity to advise you about wormholes again once his term expires. (and for Gods sake whoever it is and whatever his role, Ignore his "suggestions" until he can be got rid of/retired voted out, or just plain fired.)

Being able to roll holes MORE easily will add to content, not by implementing changes designed to make it as difficult, Dangerous and unpleasant as possible.

Here is something Many would actually like, A little suggestion that you can consider or ignore as you choose.

The NESTOR lacks desirability in wormholes, you seem committed to it never having a covert ops cloak, So as an alternative, Give it variable mass. switchable between Low mass like a double bubbled HIC, and the mass of an orca or capital.

EVERY wormhole corp would IMMEDIATELY buy a minimum of 2 or 3, as rolling multiple holes is neither pleasant or fun, we just looked long and hard and found a painful and awkward way to do it.

Please Do not make bad features even worse.... please give us the tools for US to make our game better.

Except you won't be able to track what you're shooting at because your subcap web support is 30km on the opposite side of the hole and your targets are spiraling in on you with incoming neuts and DPS. Oh, and you're capxfer supporrt? They're 80km from you. They might as well be on the opposite side of New Eden for all the good they'll do you when the neuts cap you out and you die.

So much for the afterglow (and the optimal).

And a question Sith, all those times we rolled a hole (SF and RLLO)....we must have been risk averse too huh? Because it's not about risk aversion at this point but a crap mechanic being added "for the lolz" that will simply cause fewer holes to be rolled overall resulting in fewer targets found.

Well no what they do now is they warp a dread and Orca and roll it in your face while you sit their twiddling your thumbs unable to do **** all about it unless you got a bubble up in which case they always see the bubble and log off anyway.

The idea isn't terrible for solo players though. Maybe do the reverse? Capitals spawn near the hole and frigates spawn up to 40km out? This gives the traveling noob much more leeway to escape.

Maybe CCP want wormholes to gain more activity by eroding the big players and making solo/small gang activity more viable and not simply gank bait.

Wormholes were not meant for permanent habitation, you've said it yourselves. Maybe now the "bug" of permanent wormhole corps will be patched. Or maybe it won't. Who cares? You wanted change and now you've got it and maybe there needs to be a hurricane or two to the established order of things before rebuilding in a better way can happen.

In a C3 with a hisec static..., pathetic...

Winthrop, the new meta is stable and boring, but the solution is not to kill organized pvp in wspace out of existence.
And wormholes arent unpredictable. They are hard to figure it out and control which is different.

That's a fair point. My line of thinking is that a smaller fleet is forced to spread out more, whereas a larger fleet has a better overall density allowing them to converge on the smaller fleet.

Another issue I'm seeing is the risk-averse being less likely to use caps for fleet fights and not-so-experienced corps losing a cap to a 40k WH kickout and calling it quits.

Basically, it lowers my pool of potential targets.

That said, there are some good and valid points both for and neutral over the potential change, so it's not like my opinion is completely thought out, just what I think about a few aspects.

Instead of just ranting, has anyone come up with a good way to prevent bears from collapsing holes before their visit to the money tree?

W-Space was supposed to be a wild and dangerous place, not a place you live in to get your PvE on.

For people saying this will run PvP, the only question I have is, what PvP?

I'll go through this thread fully later. But for now first thoughts.

You're currently spit out between 0 and 10km in a bell curve.
Will CCP be grabbing the outside end of the bell curve and adjusting that or will CCP be making "bands" by moving both ends based on ship class.
As a Battleship slinger, this makes me sad. It's already hard to find times to use them.
Really need numbers here. Fozzie can you drop the current thoughts on numbers down like now please. Earlier you do it the less people freak out.
Can see an upside if CovOPs are always spawning inside the WH itself. No more auto cloaky run away for you.
I guess this ends any kind of non Logi RR gangs. RIP Domi. Hello Nestor?

If you're doing this, maybe add common directionality to the spawn locations so fleets stick together? As in if you're on the true north side of the WH when you jump you pop out on the south side, give or take a bit of an angle?

Doing the opposite of your current thoughts could be an interesting idea. The heavier the closer to the WH. Catching Covops is already hard so throw them out there while allowing the heavy stuff to have the safety of the WH.

Since you're tweaking anyway, make the polarisation timer based off something on the ship too. Sensor Strength would be my preference. Higher = lower timer.