Wormholes

You have awoken me from my slumber. With this change, you have single handedly killed c5 and c6 wormhole corps. We require the ability to effectively roll the static connection quickly and easily. You have just DESTROYED that ability. Spawning outside of jump range is a very VERY bad idea for several reasons. But all I have to do is provide one.

On December 16, 2013 a wormhole alliance by the name of Disavowed decided to get some payback and invaded our bros in lead farmers. Hard knocks took up the call and over the course of 3 hours we rolled 32 static wormhole until we found the correct hole. Leading to one of the largest fights wormhole space has EVER seen.

This would not have been possible if we were not able to roll our static connection, literally, every 5 minutes. This kind of change destroys all kinds of quick response in wormhole space.

Hi CCP Fozzie,

Thank you for responding to this thread, I'd like to contribute some constructive feedback on the matter which helps in moulding how this change is deployed.

The first part that stands out is how this change was found. Please confirm if this is the standard way CCP deploy changes, ie: for all changes you just put them on SiSi and then work on them from there, even if players find them before you announce?

The second part that stands out is how this change will be perceived to impact "content" in W space, and by content i mean PvP. W space is so dynamic sometimes its possible in your current W space chain there will be no activity so you're required to roll your static to try and find someone. Whether this is another W space entity or a K space connection.

Now rolling high mass WH's means the use of capitals, capitals spawning 40 km's from the WH will certainly take some time to get back to the hole and jump through. Now doing this once off, adding maybe 5 to 10 minutes to rolling 1 hole isnt bad. When you multiple this by the amount of times people roll their static this is a large amount of time! The time spent rolling your static will add up and people dont have unlimited time to play EvE. EvE is reknown for having a high age level player base, with this comes more people working, more people with families and these are priorities for their time. If they know they're going to have to devote 20 to 30 minutes JUST for rolling holes its a negative to W space.

On the topic of how entities of differing sizes engage each other this change will have a perceived negative effect on the smaller group. To ensure the safety of your capitals, if you choose to use them for rolling, you will need to have a backup fleet on standby something not all W space entities can do. If you want to use smaller ships then its going to take a long time to roll, waiting out polarity. Or they just choose to leave it and log off. All this changes play time and how your player base interacts with them game.

I hope you find the above information useful. This is just my personal opinion but similar views appear to be within this thread.

Ion Udan o7

This is the new iteration of the Hated Cloaked K162 Gankhole idea that was stickied for months, then unstickied this weekend (8/2/2014).

Everybody HATED that idea.

If you want to create more content for wormholes, why don't you do what the ENTIRE FKING community has asked for.

Revert back the Discovery Scanner (no more instant show wormholes)
Revert back mining sites to anomalies.
Change Black Holes to something Viable.
Deal with C4 space and figure out if a dual static is viable for it.

Hell pick one thing from the W Space Little Things Thread. There are viable concepts that are agreed by the entire wormhole community there. The community, Your Customers, And the CSM that was voted by US in YOUR Election.

Why don't you start Listening To Them.

I agree its the wrong solution but it is a step in the right direction.

You only have the people at fanfest WH round table to blame as all the recent changes to WH space have developed from that meeting. CCP confirmed this.

we in nullsec are always willing to try new game mechanics to shake things up - we are, after all, the adaptable bunch - so i'd be happy to have this implemented with cynos at the same time it is implemented in wormholes

What it does is make rolling a hole for (insert reason) more tedious and time consuming.
Wspace is time consuming as is. We deal with it since we did, after all, choose to live in this space with its different issues. However, that doesn't mean that we want to see arbitrary designs implemented that will reduce the QoL in wspace by requiring further time invested in basic logistics (read: rolling for egress/ingress, rolling for PvP, rolling after PvP, rolling because a fight won't happen, rolling for PvE, etc.). This increases the amount of time that this basic and required task will take by a healthy margin.

The option to "make pings with an inty". If this change goes through, the smart people remaining in wspace who need to roll a hole will likely do this. However, this requires yet another pilot (or more) in order to make it work. One for the ping (new), at least one for the scout (existing), at least one for webs for caps (new) because you don't want them slowboating into warp. From a rolling perspective, it will increase the number of pilots required by at least 2 but more than likely 2+ which places further demand on smaller corps. The guys who run in 30-40+ gangs won't really notice the addl one or two bodies because they'll have them. It has a larger negative impact on the smaller groups as they won't have enough pilots online all the time to realistically roll the hole without considering the ship a loss upfront.

Collapsing holes, or crit'ing holes during PvP is a valid tactical decision though when the numbers of pilots involved is heavily tilted one way or another.

And as for jumping caps into a fight on a bubbled hole. Good luck seeing those with anything approaching regularity. Same goes for jumping caps into someone's home hole for PvP. In addition to the (likely) home cap # advantage, CCP has just given the defenders all the advantage that matters as well in this regard....range (from reps/capxfer/extract). Suicide triage/dread is the only time an FC in their right mind would commit these resources at that point.

Fozzie,

Has it occurred to you that you will also be effectively killing the mercenary play style in which alliances accept contracts from smaller groups that live in w-space and their ability to roll statics to get to their clients home system in order to complete their contract.

Sounds like a good change, all around. Removing the safety mechanism of being able to immediately jump back through a wormhole increases the risk of traveling and allows for meaningful control of who comes in and out of a wormhole.

I think it is a horrible idea for several reasons mentioned, but I might have found the thought behind it:

Nestor
The Nestor (as designed currently) has incredibly low mass - around half the mass of a normal Battleship. This should make it very popular in wormholes.

Wait ... no ... even if they would make the change it would still be a bad ship. Sorry guys, I give up.

yeah why wouldn't the people from big corps like it? Easier to catch hostile collapsing capitals and they have the numbers to roll in battleships. Win!