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can someone explain the appeal of "the matrix"

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Nathaniel Raynaud
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2014-08-03 13:15:26 UTC
so, i just got around to watching "the matrix", and came away thinking that it was an okay film but not understanding why so many people are so into it.

like a lot of science fiction, it starts off with a premise which doesn't act as a platform to facilitate character interaction or examine aspects of humanity but rather just kind of exists. "everything you believe is actually fake" is a fine premise, it worked for "inception", but whereas "inception" faded out of relevance about a year after it was released, the matrix has somehow remained a big cultural influence while being a sequence of slow-motion kung fu action clips interspersed with scenes of character interaction completely lacking in personality and some really mystifying wardrobe design choices.

even lighthearted modern science fiction films like "snow piercer" come out ahead compared to "the matrix". the former concerns itself entirely with human interaction instead of its science fiction premise, and the result is a really fun and watchable film with an interesting cast and good looking guys doing violent things (you should watch it, btw). meanwhile, "the matrix" fails to develop most of its characters beyond basic archetypes and all the action scenes kind of blend together after a while.

anyway, why do people like it so much
Zimmy Zeta
Perkone
Caldari State
#2 - 2014-08-03 13:22:16 UTC
The thing with Matrix (at least the first movie) is that many of the visual effects were completely new and never seen before when it was released (1999 IIRC). The influence on other films was huge, and that visual style got copied ad nauseam in countless other movies afterwards.
So, from today's point of view, I guess you are right: the F/X are standard by now and the plot isn't nearly as deep and philosophical as the producers and fanboys would like us to believe.

I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it. Yes, I do feel bad about it.

Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#3 - 2014-08-03 13:37:31 UTC
The Matrix may seem to be old hat now, but when it was released it was cutting edge cinematography with a decent script.

It completely changed the way films were made and was the first to introduce some of the staples of modern film making.

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Nathaniel Raynaud
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2014-08-03 15:41:12 UTC
the aesthetic of the matrix was probably the most memorable part, but i'm pretty sure that the cyberpunk genre had already established most of its elements years before it was released. there must've already been some sort of cultural context for "guy wearing an all black trench coat/boots/sunglasses getup doing cartwheeling away from bullets" to read as cool instead of absurdly dorky.

Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
a decent script.

the late 1980's-early 2000's must've been a dark time for scriptwriting, considering that a bunch of the stuff hailed as great (see; twin peaks) had w/e writing at best
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#5 - 2014-08-03 16:20:51 UTC
Nathaniel Raynaud wrote:
the aesthetic of the matrix was probably the most memorable part, but i'm pretty sure that the cyberpunk genre had already established most of its elements years before it was released. there must've already been some sort of cultural context for "guy wearing an all black trench coat/boots/sunglasses getup doing cartwheeling away from bullets" to read as cool instead of absurdly dorky.

no it wasent, that was "the crow" and he was a man about it and face tanked those gunshots
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
a decent script.

the late 1980's-early 2000's must've been a dark time for scriptwriting, considering that a bunch of the stuff hailed as great (see; twin peaks) had w/e writing at best

HEATHEN! i may have to pod someone for that.
Zimmy Zeta
Perkone
Caldari State
#6 - 2014-08-03 16:45:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Zimmy Zeta
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:

no it wasent, that was "the crow" and he was a man about it and face tanked those gunshots


Yeah..Brandon Lee did this and stayed course until the bitter end...

I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it. Yes, I do feel bad about it.

Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2014-08-03 16:55:33 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
no it wasent, that was "the crow" and he was a man about it and face tanked those gunshots

One of my favorite movies to watch over, I don't know why..




Mr. Raynaud, for me The Matrix is special because it explains the concept of solipsism better than any film before or after it. And films after it (like Inception) borrow heavily from the concept of layered reality that The Matrix explained so well within its paradigm.

Also, the film gets us the most amazing upvote gif in existence, so there's that..

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Zimmy Zeta
Perkone
Caldari State
#8 - 2014-08-03 17:12:35 UTC
Sibyyl wrote:


Also, the film gets us the most amazing upvote gif in existence, so there's that..


The Puns! gif is even more essential in my opinion.

I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it. Yes, I do feel bad about it.

Baneken
Arctic Light Inc.
Arctic Light
#9 - 2014-08-03 17:27:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Baneken
Matrix was also the film that sort of sold us the trench coat katana -look of the 90's along with the blade -trilogy.

Also matrix had cyberspace and implants as depicted in cyberpunk in the 80's, so there's that.

Also after the total fallout of star wars episode I the people flocked to see the Matrix that was starred by Keanu 'speed' Reeves with a hot chick instead of some never heard drama actors and whiny kid companied by a rubbery "space black person" (original review used the N-word but filters).
Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#10 - 2014-08-03 18:20:30 UTC
It takes action after the singularity and explores human place in the world after that. Maybe that is nothing new, as humans time on earth have to cease someday, and machines will take over the world, but it was surprising to some people, made a mark on human history and thinking, and now probably we will more peacefully accept our machine overlords in the hope that they will not obliterate us completely.
Angelique Duchemin
Team Evil
#11 - 2014-08-03 19:14:37 UTC
Again. 15 years old. You might as well bring up Ray Harryhausen and ask why he's to lauded when most Michael Bay movies have "better" special effects.

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Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2014-08-03 19:38:02 UTC
Nathaniel Raynaud wrote:
the aesthetic of the matrix was probably the most memorable part, but i'm pretty sure that the cyberpunk genre had already established most of its elements years before it was released.


Blade Runner brought Cyberpunk to the screen, but only The Matrix made it popular.

Before The Matrix, while there are quite some good Cyberpunk features out there, none was able to penetrate the masses like The Matrix.

That's why, besides the, amazing for the time, F/X it's considered a hallmark in movie making.

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Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#13 - 2014-08-03 19:58:24 UTC
It olso sublty planted the notion into people that keano Reeves might in fact be immortal.
Nathaniel Raynaud
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2014-08-03 20:23:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Nathaniel Raynaud
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Nathanial Raynaud wrote:

the late 1980's-early 2000's must've been a dark time for scriptwriting, considering that a bunch of the stuff hailed as great (see; twin peaks) had w/e writing at best

HEATHEN! i may have to pod someone for that.

twin peaks was objectively awful and over-directed. maybe if the directer hadn't been so neurotic about making every detail fit with his pre-established idea of what the scene should look like we wouldn't have ended up with a show where it was impossible to keep track of what was actually supposed to come off as surreal and what was just from the actors failing to convey actual human behavior.

Sibyyl wrote:

Mr. Raynaud, for me The Matrix is special because it explains the concept of solipsism better than any film before or after it. And films after it (like Inception) borrow heavily from the concept of layered reality that The Matrix explained so well within its paradigm.

Also, the film gets us the most amazing upvote gif in existence, so there's that..

eh, solipism is like philosophy 101, but reddit people have weird taste anyway i guess

on a related note; i read neil gaiman's take on the matrix before i watched the matrix itself, and it still holds up as an independent work: http://www.voidspace.org.uk/cyberpunk/goliath.shtml
Brujo Loco
Brujeria Teologica
#15 - 2014-08-03 21:11:26 UTC
What I found interesting about the movie when I first saw it was, besides the "OHHH" "AHHHH" factor was the subtle implications in several strange "out of place" parts of the movie.

I always enjoy watching the background over the main focus of most situations, personal quirk, and what grabbed me from the movie after the FX is what grabs me from movies like "Forbidden Planet" for example... The attention to details: you remember in "Forbidden Planet" the part where they finally land on the planet and they discover its a huge battery of sorts and there´s a nice handpainted still of a sci-fi futuristic building? That scene is burned in my head. i highly enjoy old Sci-fi movies when they actually cared to add these touches of "Art".

Well, for me that´s what grabbed me from the Matrix.

I get totally frustrated when I see books being read/used in movies, I know they are there for a reason and try hard to read the title.

Well, Neo in the first Matrix has his stuff in a hollowed out book, guess what book was that one? ...

Also I totally enjoyed the "Follow the Rabbit" concept.

I was slowly understanding, besides the obvious awesome kick from Trinity, I was going in for a ride of the mind.

Lots of people have discussed AD NAUSEAM the subtly or not so subtly philosophical overtones of the movie, but for me, what did it was the "occult" imagery of well established Journeys.

Red and Blue, Oracles, Architects, Doors, Automatons, Twins, Humanity extinguished, reborn and rebuilt, Cycles, etc, etc, etc.

They single handedly managed to pour well developed concepts to tell a story pushing the envelope of the time. It´s a "classic" now because of that.

What completely ruins it up though (and this is my personal opinion alone), is how they DIVERGED from a specific point they started in Movie one and diluted for WHATEVER reasons in Movie 3.

Also Twin Peaks is visually astounding, and sometimes, script is secondary and even detrimental to the visual story being represented, then again, a matter of taste, Big smile

Cheers!

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Alice Saki
Nocturnal Romance
Cynosural Field Theory.
#16 - 2014-08-03 21:30:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Alice Saki
I'm still waiting on Morpheus contacting me. xD


Also there is only one movie... THERE WERE NO SEQUELS.EvilRoll

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Nathaniel Raynaud
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2014-08-03 23:40:09 UTC
Brujo Loco wrote:
Lots of people have discussed AD NAUSEAM the subtly or not so subtly philosophical overtones of the movie, but for me, what did it was the "occult" imagery of well established Journeys.

Red and Blue, Oracles, Architects, Doors, Automatons, Twins, Humanity extinguished, reborn and rebuilt, Cycles, etc, etc, etc.

"the matrix" isn't devoid of material worth analyzing, but most of it is only lightly touched upon due to the sheer amount of information that was crammed into the movie. for example; the incongruity between self-perception and exterior perception was going to be explored more originally, when one of the characters was initially drafted as someone who had a masculine appearance in the "true reality" and a feminine one in simulated reality. but then this idea was dropped in order not to overload a film already full of reality-warping antics and completely inexplicable romantic arcs

Brujo Loco wrote:

Also Twin Peaks is visually astounding, and sometimes, script is secondary and even detrimental to the visual story being represented, then again, a matter of taste, Big smile

the visuals in twin peaks were undeniably gorgeous, and it's unfortunate that the whole series wasn't just the fbi guy mutely stumbling around a surreally beautiful little town
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#18 - 2014-08-04 00:49:38 UTC
Do yourself a favor and don't watch the other two.

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Gallente Federation
#19 - 2014-08-04 01:13:29 UTC
I liked the second one a little bit. Is that bad?

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Jonah Gravenstein
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#20 - 2014-08-04 01:21:58 UTC
Alice Saki wrote:
Also there is only one movie... THERE WERE NO SEQUELS.EvilRoll
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The same goes for Star Wars, anything after Return of the Jedi is heresy.

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