EVE General Discussion

6 pages.. not a dev in sight

Honestly that is a good thing. As I said on page 1, I do not want them to toss out an idea or a time line that a) they can not meet. b) they are not ready for. c) of a half assed idea.

I want CCP to take there time, we know they are working on it, they have already said they are working on it. I've seen this broken system get a baid aid for 10 years, I can wait a few more months if they are actually going to rip the broken out and replace it with something that works. Or have the ability that if its not working to quickly repair and fix it before it goes crazy

Reaper, I thought about this a bit more after I saw your post.

Of course it's nonsensical for CCP to outline a development plan and commit to a schedule. What I meant by my post is that a collaborative dialog between CCP and players could be useful.. but I think now that it wouldn't.

The problem is:

• Players will give feedback that inherently benefits themselves or the alliances they are in
• Players can give dishonest and subtly destructive feedback (the community is fully capable of this sort of deception)
• The discussion would be an uncontrolled flow of information. This could affect markets, player habitats, all kinds of things in game
• Players don't really know what they want (a classic problem)

Don't you love it when people demand in GD a showdown with CCP; high noon in front of the saloon.
What's that word....ah yes ultimatum!

Will the wedding vows be done in Icelandic or do you have a preference for another language?

This is pretty common. They won't answer stuff when you direct questions at them, though you have a chance to shoe horn something in here but it's usually what they want to talk about, not what we might.

Woops, think I crossposted this.

Those are good points. The mom iteration a few years back was diabolical, took ages to undo, and a lot of the worst ideas came from players. There is a real danger of having gameplay changes driven through by the most vocal, prominent or organised groups ingame. Despite claims of altruism and an acknowledgement of broader mechanics, these blocs didn't get to the position they are by actively promoting mechanics that would be massively detrimental to their interests.

There's also a wierd disconnect in some of the discussions where people tentatively mention how changes will affect the little guys - but the people remarking are not those players and haven't been for years. That's partly because the entry mechanics to null are screwed atm, with corps taking spots as renters where previously they joined pet-scrub-meatshield alliances and used it as a stepping stone. It's really hard to judge whether there are a large enough pool of non-bloc nullsec players who can contribute meaningfully to the discussion.

There also needs to be an honest debate about how much of the current nullsec situation is down to player behaviour. Finger wagging at CCP over being 'forced' into blocs of thousands doesn't really cut it when there are minority groups who have explicitly withdrawn from that playstyle. Despite having a vastly different economy and culture, the Serenity server also suffers from coalition dominance. Which suggests it's partly player driven, and inevitable. In which case you would have to put mechanics in place to discourage large scale groups (which seems a bit of a dirty tactic in a 'sandbox').

Some of the TMC articles mentioned blobbing - or as OP called it bloobing which is awesome and should be universally adopted - then handwaved it away. But blobbing is an issue, because it requires an effective counter, and it should be part of the discussion.

Can confirm this bit. Every time someone from the CFC, PL, or NC. says anything with the justification that it will "help the little guy," I laugh because typically they're proposed changes would hurt those same little guys...a lot. Just look at the ideas proposed by Manny, freighter convoys going through bloc controlled chokepoints. Not surprising really, I've seen posts on eve-o from PL duders wanting to gank smaller-entity freighter convoys for ages (their version of "content" I guess). Got a problem with that? Go through wormholes, man! Nevermind that kspace-kspace logistics for null to hi/low is a massive pain in the ass and the few smaller 0.0 entities that are left would find something else to do or quit entirely.

Perspective: After leaving a wh alliance 4 years ago, I joined an NPC 0.0 alliance in stain. That alliance later went to sov as a pet-scrub-meatshield for Cascade imminent/Atlas. Fought in the DRF war, lost to supercaps, went to NPC stain again, than NPC Syndicate, Stain again, fac war, curse, and now both of the groups I've hung around with for the entire time are in Moa.

From what I've seen It's a pretty safe bet that whenever someone from PL, NC., or the CFC mentions "the little guy," they're full of sh*t and either just plain wrong or trying to lobby for changes that would benefit the larger groups in one way or another.



Pretty much this. No one forced PL to sign treaties with the CFC. Look at N3, been chomping at the bit to attack goons. Look at the russian coalitions, sh*tty mechanics never stopped them from attacking N3. But you can only blame leadership so much.

The line members share as much or more of the blame. The CFC had already been arguably "winning" the sov game for 2-3 years. So basically, with few exceptions, everyone that joined them in the last 2 years hopped on the bandwagon of the winning side. Instead of fighting for their own little piece of sov, they joined the winning side because it was easy and safe. With droves of players like that, are you really surprise null sec became stagnant? They made their bed, now they have to sleep in it.

Depends on the scale of what you want to move. I did the same when living in npc stain. WH travel is good, but also highly variable. One day you might have something good, the next 3 days you might not have any viable wh routes within a 3 constellation radius. This isn't so bad for a small corp, but once you get into alliances that are several hundred members strong that can field fleets of 20-50 with corresponding needs for ship replacement due to pvp activities, wormholes start to cease cutting it imo.

Make supers a warpable beacon.

I mean why not? Their gravity can affect the tides on planets. Your warp drive operates via gravity wells.