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Incursions- What ship should I fly
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Xanato Kaso
Frozen Flames
#1 - 2014-08-02 14:41:57 UTC
So I was thinking about getting into incursions, and I am not sure what ships I could fly or what roles to fill or anything of that nature.

I don't have shield skills so it would be an armor fleet.

My skills.
http://eveboard.com/pilot/Xanato_Kaso

Right now I am flying a paladin for missions and I am doing pretty good with it. Working my way to max gunnery skills and T2 lasers. Do paladins fly in incursion fleets? What is the risk of me losing my ship?

I was thinking about training for a Legion but I am not sure what it is used for, if at all.

What is a good role I could fulfill in an incursion fleet?
How long to get into a proper ship and what are my options.
Caleidascope
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2014-08-02 15:41:57 UTC
Whatever FC tells you to.

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Eat dessert first!
Xanato Kaso
Frozen Flames
#3 - 2014-08-02 15:46:05 UTC
Caleidascope wrote:
Whatever FC tells you to.



Oh good that is so helpful. Because I have no clue what ships are flown in incursions and doubt I have the skills to fly any of them effectively.
Caleidascope
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2014-08-02 15:48:44 UTC
Xanato Kaso wrote:
Caleidascope wrote:
Whatever FC tells you to.



Oh good that is so helpful. Because I have no clue what ships are flown in incursions and doubt I have the skills to fly any of them effectively.

I flew with The Valhalla Project (TVP) for the last 2-3 weeks. They have website. On that website they have fits. I simply copied one of the fits. Easy peasy!

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Nolak Ataru
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2014-08-02 16:03:49 UTC
Most if not all of the incursion communities have websites where you can look for fits.
Elena Thiesant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2014-08-02 16:16:29 UTC
Venjenz Sake
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#7 - 2014-08-02 16:18:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Venjenz Sake
Caleidascope wrote:
Xanato Kaso wrote:
Caleidascope wrote:
Whatever FC tells you to.



Oh good that is so helpful. Because I have no clue what ships are flown in incursions and doubt I have the skills to fly any of them effectively.

I flew with The Valhalla Project (TVP) for the last 2-3 weeks. They have website. On that website they have fits. I simply copied one of the fits. Easy peasy!

And minus one skill to IV, I have their advanced Machariel fit covered, and my alt has the Scimitar logi stuff covered across the board. I guess all my "maybe I'll do incursions stuff someday" skill queuing paid off. Cool I guess someday I should actually contact some of these people and give that a try.
Caleidascope
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2014-08-02 16:24:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Caleidascope
Venjenz Sake wrote:
Caleidascope wrote:
Xanato Kaso wrote:
Caleidascope wrote:
Whatever FC tells you to.



Oh good that is so helpful. Because I have no clue what ships are flown in incursions and doubt I have the skills to fly any of them effectively.

I flew with The Valhalla Project (TVP) for the last 2-3 weeks. They have website. On that website they have fits. I simply copied one of the fits. Easy peasy!

And minus one skill to IV, I have their advanced Machariel fit covered, and my alt has the Scimitar logi stuff covered across the board. I guess all my "maybe I'll do incursions stuff someday" skill queuing paid off. Cool I guess someday I should actually contact some of these people and give that a try.

They have two sets of fits, Vanguard fits are one set, HQ fits are second set.

I, out of ignorance, fit for HQ and went to run HQ. Worked fine, but I did a decent job of doing what FC wanted me to do.

Make sure you are looking at the right set. You don't want to show up with VG fit for HQ sites and you don't want to bring HQ fit to run VG sites.

Also. If following TVP site, make sure you do their client setup like they tell you to. The safety, the target back, drone on passive, etc. A week ago or so one dude did not set safety right and shot me, concord blew up his machariel. DON'T BE THAT DUDE!

Life is short and dinner time is chancy

Eat dessert first!
Xanato Kaso
Frozen Flames
#9 - 2014-08-02 16:27:11 UTC
TVP is all shield tank. I dont have any shield skills at all. I need to find an armor fleet
Caleidascope
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2014-08-02 16:27:52 UTC
Xanato Kaso wrote:
TVP is all shield tank. I dont have any shield skills at all. I need to find an armor fleet

See post #6.

Life is short and dinner time is chancy

Eat dessert first!
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#11 - 2014-08-02 23:18:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Riot Girl
edit

Oh god.
Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
#12 - 2014-08-03 00:28:39 UTC
How did you manage to get the Paladin before the T2 lasers?

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Xanato Kaso
Frozen Flames
#13 - 2014-08-03 00:32:18 UTC
Well, when I first started someone told me go looking through the ships and find something that interests you. The paladin was the ship i chose. So I used evemon and made a plan to fly a paladin and I just followed that plan. Now all my other skills are playing catch-up.
Odithia
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2014-08-03 08:05:20 UTC
I would aim for a Vindicator. Hyperion is a good stepstone for this ship,
The Vindicator can be Shield or Armor tanked, is more desirable to fleet than a Machariel and easier to fly than a Nightmare (no capacitor chain).
Jill Antaris
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#15 - 2014-08-03 09:44:00 UTC
If you want to start shield, train up caldari BS and get a Nightmare.

For armor with your skills Abaddon, Apoc, Navy Apoc, Navy Geddon, Paladin or Nightmare will be your best bets.

[Abaddon, Starter]
Damage Control II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Tracking Enhancer II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II

Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed Script
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron

Mega Pulse Laser II, Conflagration L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Conflagration L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Conflagration L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Conflagration L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Conflagration L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Conflagration L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Conflagration L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Conflagration L

Large Energy Discharge Elutriation I
Large Energy Discharge Elutriation II
Large Energy Locus Coordinator II

Imperial Navy Curator x3

[Paladin, OIC Paladin no Slaves]
Damage Control II
True Sansha Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Tracking Enhancer II
True Sansha Heat Sink
True Sansha Heat Sink
True Sansha Heat Sink
True Sansha Heat Sink

Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed Script
Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed Script
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
True Sansha Stasis Webifier

Mega Pulse Laser II, Conflagration L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Conflagration L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Conflagration L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Conflagration L
Large Remote Armor Repairer II
Large Remote Armor Repairer II
Large Remote Armor Repairer II
Large Remote Capacitor Transmitter II

Large Energy Burst Aerator II
Large Trimark Armor Pump II

Hobgoblin II x5
Warrior II x5
Light Hull Maintenance Bot I x5

If you want to be able to fly for both, just get a Nightmare since it is easy to refit between shield and armor, just switch out the trimark for a anti EM rig, the EANM for another TE and a webs for a Invu and another sensor booster for the standard Tach setup most shield fleets use.

[Nightmare, OIC NM slaves]
Centum A-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
True Sansha Heat Sink
True Sansha Heat Sink
True Sansha Heat Sink
True Sansha Heat Sink
Tracking Enhancer II

Shadow Serpentis Tracking Computer, Tracking Speed Script
Shadow Serpentis Tracking Computer, Tracking Speed Script
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Domination Target Painter
Domination Target Painter
Shadow Serpentis Sensor Booster, Scan Resolution Script

Mega Pulse Laser II, Conflagration L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Conflagration L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Conflagration L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Conflagration L
Large Remote Armor Repairer II
Large Remote Armor Repairer II

Large Energy Locus Coordinator II
Large Energy Locus Coordinator II
Large Trimark Armor Pump I

Curator II x3

OIC for example has a loan out program for that kind of hulls, also the option to fly T1 logis here from the loan out program, like the Augoror, if you have the skills listed in the "OIC - T1LCP" mailing list to properly fly them(you miss target management, armor RR, and RR drones for example) . IIC pub fittings are very similar for the most part, if you want to fly with TDF, check her ingame mailing lists, since they put more tank on the ships.
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#16 - 2014-08-03 12:07:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Lloyd Roses
With that little SP, you should look for something else to fly atm. Without any gunnery support skills or support skills in general, you'll be little more than an ISK-leech. If you're fine with that, train Caldari BS to I and get faction guns so no one notices that your nightmare only got 400dps. Else, you could sit in a proper logistics in 2 months or a proper BS in a fair bit more (you need some 20ish skills to V still).

So farming FW or null should be a lot easier and more rewarding at this point, there is just no useful incursionship you can fly anywhere near decent at this point.

PS: Legion, Paladin are useless. Risk of loosing a ship in incursions is 0, exceptions when you yourself mess up.
Xanato Kaso
Frozen Flames
#17 - 2014-08-03 15:52:27 UTC
Lloyd Roses wrote:
With that little SP, you should look for something else to fly atm. Without any gunnery support skills or support skills in general, you'll be little more than an ISK-leech. If you're fine with that, train Caldari BS to I and get faction guns so no one notices that your nightmare only got 400dps. Else, you could sit in a proper logistics in 2 months or a proper BS in a fair bit more (you need some 20ish skills to V still).

So farming FW or null should be a lot easier and more rewarding at this point, there is just no useful incursionship you can fly anywhere near decent at this point.

PS: Legion, Paladin are useless. Risk of loosing a ship in incursions is 0, exceptions when you yourself mess up.


I joined the TDF channel and they gave me an Apoc fit so soon as an incursion opens up thats in highsec im gonna do one!!! Most of my gunnery skills are at IV and I destroy L4 missions in my pally. i dont see the issue with it
Nya Kittenheart
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#18 - 2014-08-04 07:30:09 UTC
Restricting yourself to armor tanking isn't exactly a good move,shield tanking for incursions isn't that much difficult a few days and you're done.
And you'll find much more community who shield tank incursions ....
On the gunnery subject you definitvly want those tech 2 guns ASAP as they ll allow you to use tech 2 ammo and unlock large beam specialisation +8 %dps at lvl 4 ,you also want controlled burst to 5 asap as beam boat are very cap hungry.
You also want drone and sentry interface to 4 really quickly (good dps for a few days) and cybernetics to 5 because your FC won't overlook + 6 hardwire ,once those skill are done go for perfect support gunnery skills.
Fly safe and enjoy incursions
Xanato Kaso
Frozen Flames
#19 - 2014-08-04 17:09:49 UTC
Nya Kittenheart wrote:
Restricting yourself to armor tanking isn't exactly a good move,shield tanking for incursions isn't that much difficult a few days and you're done.
And you'll find much more community who shield tank incursions ....
On the gunnery subject you definitvly want those tech 2 guns ASAP as they ll allow you to use tech 2 ammo and unlock large beam specialisation +8 %dps at lvl 4 ,you also want controlled burst to 5 asap as beam boat are very cap hungry.
You also want drone and sentry interface to 4 really quickly (good dps for a few days) and cybernetics to 5 because your FC won't overlook + 6 hardwire ,once those skill are done go for perfect support gunnery skills.
Fly safe and enjoy incursions



Can you give me a priority list. Right now im getting Trajectory analasys to IV so I can use T2 tracking computers, then I was going to do large energy turret to V followed by beam/pulse spec to IV
Caleidascope
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#20 - 2014-08-04 17:25:10 UTC
Xanato Kaso wrote:
so soon as an incursion opens up thats in highsec im gonna do one!!!

There are two incursions in high sec right now. One is even in amarr space so you don't need to travel too far.

Life is short and dinner time is chancy

Eat dessert first!
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