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Except there not "more people", there's just you. You throwing personal attacks at people and expecting that to make the CSM take you seriously.

There clear ARE drawbacks, as have been detailed at great length, you have simply ignored the concerns. And regardless, it doesn't make it EASY to put into the game.

Wrong. I do understand. I honestly don't care if you think I understand or not. Several people have explained why your idea is terrible and you've simply ignored them. But that really doesn't matter. What matters is the CSM will take one look at you attacking people and screaming "YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND" and they will realise that you are not to be taken seriously. I call for a thread lock, since this is not going to go anywhere.

You can't expect someone to take you seriously when you are....

1. Trolling.
2. Not discussing what my topic is about.
3. Taking it off-topic.

Expect to be flamed back.


What are the drawbacks?

That they forces standings upon someone when it's optional to use?

I'm mean, come on.


You don't, because if you had been understanding it you would figure out where the issues are.

Your post is again reported for trolling and for taking it off-topic.

Proof or it never happened. You use this excuse to not bother to go back because you can't find any explanations. Therefor, you will get reported the 3rd time for trolling.


No, you are discussing forcing automatic standings towards war targets when i'm talking about something totally different. I'm not talking about forcing anything towards war targets as my proposal is about adding 2 options that is optional to use. So yes, you are taking my topic off-topic. So, you are reported.


With pleassure.

1. See quote 1 and 2. Yes you are trolling.
2. Even though you "might" have been reading it, it doesn't automaticly means you will understand it.
3. That's your opinion. I'm just posting this stuffs because you are.

1) Trolling.
2) Posting about something that my topic isn't about (yes about forcing standings towards war targets when it's not forcing to add options).
3) Taking my topic off-topic.


It's good reasons as i understands the problems and have explained how the issues is and where they appear. You haven't explained why it's a bad idea.

So because you can't explain this, you are taken as a troll. So like i've said, you are reported.

I can't find the answers in this topic. Can you?

I'm free to use the report function as much as i like when someone is trolling, talking about something different than my topic is about and for taking it off-topic. You are just mad because i can report you for doing those 3 things.


No, the only thing those 2 options is doing is to make sure the war targets appear correctly in a seperate 'War Target' overview tab. You creates a new overview tab called 'War Targets' and only enables 'Pilots with terrible standings' for that tab. By doing that, you will only see the war targets in that overview tab witch is the thing we want to see. You are missunderstanding what i'm trying to explain here.

Go back and read my first post 5 more times and you "MIGHT' understand it.


When you understands what i'm talking about here, then you can come back and discuss here. And no, saying 'it's a bad idea' isn't giving explanations. And the other thing is that you think it's a bad idea as you missunderstands the whole point of the topic and what we want to see fixed.

Now you are just trolling. Want me to report you the 4th time?

You are mad because i use the report function. You are mad because you think you can just trolls away here without getting consequences back. Remember, this is not General Discussion forum section incase you have forgotten that.


Nope, you fully missunderstands me, and it can't be said more clearer than that.

If you think it's a bad idea, then explain WHY it is that?

You think it's a bad idea as its forces standings upon war targets even if it's optional. But mate, it's up to the corp / alliance leaders if they want -10 standings towards the war targets or not. Their members have to adapt to how the leaders want to run their corp or alliance. This options ONLY applies to those who sends out war decs. Those who gets the war decs will continue as normal as they will just see the normal eve-mail about getting war dec'ed. Nothing changes that way. It only changes standings for those who sends out war decs. But like i said, it's up to the corp or alliance if they want to use those 2 options.

So what was the problem with my proposal again?


Nope, i have explained in great details on why you don't understands the issues or what i'm trying to get fixed. It's in this topic. I'm not gonna bother to find it as it's easily available to find in this topic. Use the search function if you are that lazy.

No you aren't discussing as you puts out your opinions on something you haven't understood yet. There is a difference from telling your opinions on something you understands and to saying your opinions when you haven't understood the issues. The last thing here is the case.


Again, you don't understands what i'm saying. Peoples who doesn't changes anything on the overview will see the war targets like they appears now like normal. They willl be blinky red no matter what standings they have on those targets. The war dec system overrides all standings, therefor it doesn't matter for a new player that haven't modified anything with his overview settings that they will have the war targets as -10 as the corp decided to have them at that.

Or can you show some evidences that a war target for a new player will appear different with a -10 standing than how he will appear with just the war dec?

No you can't as i know how this system works. There is no difference on how you see the targets from having -10 standing to be neutral once someone is a war target. That's why my idea is really good as it wont matter to anyone except that it fixes some issues with the war targets in the overview.

You should be more educated in this before you spews out nonesense.


Look at my quote over on why you are wrong. I don't have to say more than that to figure out that you don't belong in this topic as you don't understand the whole case here.


You claimed that my idea with the 2 options are forcing standings or whatever upon someone. This is not what my topic is about. It's about having the freedom to choose to use those 2 options for those who sees the needs to use it. Where are the forcing here?

And as i explained in my 2nd quote over, you don't understand the whole case here. So you are talking about something different than what i'm trying to get fixed or get into EVE.


Where are those explanations?

I can't find them.

No no no, again, you missunderstands. If you don't modify a single thing on the overview as a new player or whatever the war targets will still appear on the overview like normal. The differences is that the war targets here will appear in the same place as you see all other neutrals or those with no standings. This happens no matter if the war target have neutral standings or -10 standings. And this is what i have been trying to explain to you for ages. Because of this, it doesn't matter for anyone that the war targets gets a -10 standing.

There will be no changes this way as i have said a million times to now. Once someone goes war target, the war dec system overrides the standings, so with my proposal, a new player will still see the war targets together with other neutrals in the overview (as long as they haven't changed anything on the overview) like it is by default.

The proposal here will only apply to those who ONLY want to sort out war targets in a seperate overview tab. Those who decides to not do that will still see their war targets like normal.


As i have given you an explanations on this case now over in my quote, it's pretty obvious that you didn't take my points.

You should understand the war system and how the overview works before you speaks about something you don't know. I'm just sayin.

Nope. Either you use the default overview setup or you will just modify your own overview tabs. If you leave the default overview tab as default, nothing will change on how you see your war targets on the overview no matter what standing they have. That's the thing.

If you modify your own War target overview tab, you are supposed to sort out war targets only in that tab. Nothing except for the war targets will appear in that overview tab. If someone sets their overviews up so they don't see their war targets when they should, then they have set up the overview tab wrong. You can remove everything you want from showing up in your overview settings.

You can add a seperate overview tab that only shows stations and POCO's for example. So why shouldn't you be able to sort out your war targets to only show up in your war target overview tab then?

This is what my proposal is all about.

If they expect to see the war targets in a seperate overview tab, then they have to modify their own tab to be able to do that. They can't expect things to automaticly appear up better in an organised overview setup if they don't have to change settings in the overview.


I have explained everything on what happens right now if you tries to sort out war targets only in a seperate overview tab. It get's messy. I have also explained that you have to be able to choose those 2 new options i have proposed if you are going to be able to sort out your war targets only in a seperate overview tab.

This only applies to those who want to have that. This doesn't changes anything for those who sends out wars as the war targets will either appear as normal with this idea, but they will also appear correctly for those who want to have a seperate overview tab for war targets only.

Still no, because the war target will just appear on the normal / default overview tab you have with all other neutrals then. So no war targets will be hidden bro.

Like me now, i have the Normal overview tab as you can see here: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/7309753/Bilder/EVE%20Online/fleet2.png

Here all of my war targets appears in the same overview tab as those with no standings or with neutrals. This works like it should even with my proposal.

My war targets will appear there no matter what independent of the standings someone have under the war. In my 'War Targets' overview tab however, there isn't even a single war target even when 'Pilots that is at war with you' or something like that is enabled, because you have to enable 'pilots with no standings' to be able to see the war targets in there. So what's the point in that when you can't sort out the war targets only then?

My proposal with the 2 new options will enable my corp or alliance to enable 2 things that lets all of the members here to be able to sort out the war targets only in the 'War Targets' overview tab for example. If a corp or alliance gets war dec'ed by someone, they are still free to modify the standing them self (as most corps or alliances doesn't do many wars) towards those who war decs.

There are extremely few corps or alliances out in EVE today that sends out more war decs than 30 war decs each weeks. So those with few war decs against them can easily put the war dec'ers manually to-10 in standing if they want to take advantage of the war targets only in a seperate overview tab.

And with 30 war decs against you, you can use 15-20 minutes to manually edit the standings towards your war dec'ers then as it's few standings to modify.


I have done that several times already. Just because you don't understand what happens under the differenct conditions under a war in the overview to what kind of overview setup you use, it's not my fault that you fail to understand those things.

If you are supposed to see your war targets in the 'War Target' overview, i have told what the corps or alliances that gets war dec'ed can do to fix that. As most corps or alliances rarely sends out more war decs than 30 each months, it's a small case for everyone to manually adjust the -10 standings to each corps you are getting war dec'ed by as most corps or alliances usually don't have more than 20-30 war against them at thr same time at max.

Lets say we gets war dec'ed by your alliance. As it's the only war dec'ers who can set this -10 standing at the same time as the war decs gets sent out, we that gets war dec'ed can't choose to use that option. So we have to manually adjust our standings to -10 towards you to be able to see only the war targets in the war target overview. And as i said, as someone almost never gets war dec'ed from more than 20-30 corps / alliances at the same time, it's a small thing to fix this way.

If you war dec, then you can choose those 2 options to automaticly set -10 standing, as you do see much more war decs getting sent from an alliance than you have war against you, it will just take 10-15 mins max to manually adjust the standings to -10 for those who are getting war dec'ed that doesn't have the ability to use those 2 options when you sends out a war dec.


No, read what i wrote over in my quote. You are still wrong.

Oh, now when youare done with my topic again, will i see you in a new corp tomorrow ?