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they usually do not have any bounty because in nul when you battle you fight, you die, and you say GF in local without setting bounties like a damn fool (and yes I understand you meant npc rats).

Or maybe the problem is that you don't have IQ enough to understand the issues with the overview?

If i war dec 5 corporations, it shouldn't be any different from war decing 200 corporations. War dec'ing is war dec'ing in the same way as isk whoring is isk whoring and shouldn't be any different on how you see it in the amount of war targets or isk you get.

EDIT: There is nothing in EVE that's called to many wars or whatever. Or does it says somewhere that you can have to many peoples in your fleet to or what?

EVE is an open game where you can do exactly the things you want. You are completely free to war dec one corp or 500 corps. It should't be any different from sending out 1 war dec to 500 war decs.

You are an idiot (sorry to say it, but it's the hard facts) if you believe there should be differences how we see the war targets on the overview just because someone decided to war dec more than others.

The simple fix, would be for CCP to actually enable the overview to work correctly as in the past.
Why should they waste time creating this fix and making life even harder for others?

And you haven't already done that like a million times already?

And you expect that someone will take you seriously then?


No, it takes you more times to war dec more or sending out the war decs. It shouldn't take you more time to set up something that will make the war targets to appear the right way on the overview when a war target is a war target on the overview. A war target will still be the same war target on the overview independent of how many we war dec. War decs is a part of the game and sending out 200 war decs should take you 200 times more time over just sending out 1 one war dec. That's how it is now and it should be like that. It shouldn't be 200 times harder to find the war targets in the overview over how you just see the war targets with just one war dec on your overview.

Or would it make sense to make it harder for players to find npc's or rats in the overview as more npc's or rats there is in a mission?

That would be awesome, right?

That would absolutely keep new peoples to this game aaaaaaaaaaaaaaal the time.

There should be absolutely no need to do a setup of how you see the war targets in overview. It should be as easy to see the war targets in overview if you war dec 250 corps or alliances as it is easy to see the war targets by just sending out one war target. It should be an option in the overview settings that will enable a seperate overview tab that will show only the war targets.

Having complicated setups in EVE isn't really there to make EVE an intresting game for new peoples. Before the game will be more intrested for new players, the game needs to be more easy to get into. And as far as i know, the overview is a complete mess and a big confusion to new players. The overview setup as you will see it the first time you undock haven't been changed in many many years.

It needs to be changed for the better and not continue to stay messy just because someone have HUGE understanding issues to see where the issues with the overview is. Luckily, the overview settings have got a pretty nice overhaul on the test server already, so keep saying the overview wont get fixed bro.


No, making things more difficult just because someone decides to war dec more corps or alliance than others, or to make the game harder for peoples just because they just want to be in a bigger fleet is driving peoples away from the gane and not into the game. You have to be somekind of a genious to not see this. Seriously.


When it comes to the knowledge about EVE, yes you are that, by a long shot. Because i don't know someone else that are as clueless about the overview as you are. Because you have shown it here times after times (or in my earlier topic about this) that you have never ever done empire PVP or war decs at all and don't have an IQ enough to figure out how the overview works and don't know where to look to see where all of the issues are in the overview. Those peoples who don't find issues with the overview the within first 3 hours they are playing EVE and are using the overview is not changing anything on the overview at all.

It's that simple.


Well, you can't expect others to be nice with you when you have a massive tantrum trolling fest here where you cries like a mofo. Don't expect others to be nice with you when you simply don't understand EVE and just spews out stupid troll arguments.

Please point out where in this thread I'm attacking you.
Any time someong disagrees with you, you call them stupid. Your opinion isn't automatically right because you said it, so get over it. If you can't stop throwing around personal attack,s then go back to C&P, and troll on there. I'm pretty certain the CSMs aren't interested in watching you call the rest of the player-base idiots.

At the moment, when you set up a wardec, you set up the standing at the same time. So yes, that should take you 250x more time if you want 250x more wardecs.

It SHOULD be more difficult. YOU CHOOSE to have 250 wardecs, so you CHOOSE to take on the challenges that brings on. The problem is, you want the game to do it all for you. You want to reap the rewards, but don;t want to put in the effort. Tough.

Look mate, people aren't idiots just because they disagree with you. I don't agree that you should be given all of the automatic help you ask for. I don;t think that choices in this game should be without consequence. That doesn't make me an idiot. Now keep your damn tongue civil.

How am I trolling? I'm putting across my opinion, and you are attacking me. So who's the one trolling here, huh?

Wrong. I accept that the overview doesn't work entirely as it should, I just don;t think it's a priority change, I don't think your temporary fix is suitable, and I think that when it is fixed, there has to be another change to restrict people from effortlessly wardeccing hundreds of people.

Why shouldn't you have to? It's part of wardecs. You don;t have to set up NPC, because that's a completely different mechanic. You can't take 250 missions from the same agent at the same time, so for each one you have to redock, hand in, take new mission. For you wardecs it's the same. For each wardec you have to set it up, then at the end unset it. If it was automatic and effortless like you want, then there would be no downsides to declaring wars on hundreds of noob corps.

Go ahead, see how it does. You are making comparison where comparisons do not exist.

When have I said there's no issues? I've CLEARLY stated that there are issues, they are just LOW PRIORITY, and will need to go hand in hand with changes that restrict war declarations, to add consequence to groups making decisions like yours does.

Again, just because my opinion is different from yours does not suddenly mean I'm wrong and that I'm not playing or I'm not paying enough attention.

You need to learn to accept that other people have opinions too, and that those opinions are just as valid. If you can't accept that, you have absolutely no right to be posting in this section of the forum. Your behaviour here certainly isn't going to encourage a CSM to champion your idea.

First off, yes it should be fixed, when there is capacity to do so and when it's a priority, which it isn't.

Secondly, your "easy fix" contains automatic standing adjustments based of an option placed when a war is declared. I'm pretty sure that isn't as simple as you think it is.

Thirdly, I and others have given you several very good explanations, and you've simply ignored them. You can;t just ignore everything other people say because you don't think it's valid.

If it was a high priority, it wouldn't be a bug that is years old, and you would have people here supporting you.

Well obviously standings do have something to do with wardecs, since everyone using wardecs is using standings.

Because that's not the topic. The topic here is that you are too lazy to put in the legwork to support your hundreds of wardecs.

LOL
So once again, you've jumped to the conclusion that what I say is opinion, and what you say is fact. Even though other people here agree that your idea is terrible.

You are not a special snowflake, what you say is no more valid that what anyone else says. Stop acting like you are somehow MORE RIGHT than everyone else. Your idea is terrible, several of us have explained why, and you need to accept that you aren't right purely because you think you are.

1. It's enough priority that CCP is already fixing / changing stuffs with the overview on the test server.

Take a look at those pictures.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/7309753/Bilder/EVE%20Online/ExeFile%202014-08-03%2013-53-11-09.png

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/7309753/Bilder/EVE%20Online/ExeFile%202014-08-03%2013-53-28-26.png

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/7309753/Bilder/EVE%20Online/ExeFile%202014-08-03%2013-53-40-32.png

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/7309753/Bilder/EVE%20Online/ExeFile%202014-08-03%2013-53-45-62.png

2. So where in the line of '2 options that is optional to choose' denies someone to not use that to not place any standings upon the war targets?

If you don't want to use the options to enable the standing things, then simply don't use it. As the options only goes towards those who sends out war decs, it must be up to the corp or alliance leaders who sends out the war decs if they want their war targets to be -10 (to make sure they appear correctly on the overview until the main issues with the overview is fixed properly) or not. If Tora (that is the alliance leader of Marmite) decides to make all of our earlier war targets to be friends / blues, it's his choice as it's his alliance. I have to adapt to the way he runs his alliance then.

So if he want to set all of the war targets to -10 to temporary fix the issues with war targets in the overview, he should be free to do so. Again, if you don't want to use those options to place standings towards war targets, then there is no one there that forces you to use that. It's a reason it's called 'options'. My topic title even clearly states 'options to add -10 standings towards war targets'. Do you need glasses to be able to read or what?

3. Show me where someone have given me a very good explanations on why my idea isn't a good idea?

Giving explanations on something that they don't understand isn't giving explainations bro.


Look at the pictures over. It's enough priority that they are fixing / changing stuffs in the overview settings now on the test server. And more fixes or changes might appear to.


They have to use standings because of a broken overview settings and to be able to see the war targets correctly on the overview tab, not because standings is a part of doing wars. Again, you seriously can't be genious here as you have problems to see the differences here.


I'm not lazy because you fails to understand what the problems / issues is. It's not about being lazy, it's about fixing overview issues towards war targets. Again, you can't be really smart if you can't see the differences here.


It's terrible to you because you don't understand what the issues / problems is. It can't be said more clearer than that. Everyone who actually uses the overview do agree with me that there is tons of issues that needs to be fixed. And the war targets is one of the issues in the overview.

So quit crying and see if they fix it. When they do you can be damn sure I'll be pushing for change to wardec mechanics to make it harder again for you guys to just wardec everyone.

And it still doesn't make it an easy fix. It also still creates a divide between behaviour in an aggressor corp and expected behaviour for others. If people expect the war target stuff to just work, because their corp leader sets it, then if they are in another corp that doesn't set it, or if someone decs them, their overview suddenly won;t work the way they expect.

Grow up. Just grow up. Me not agreeing does not mean I do not understand. Do you get that? Do you know how that works? Do you understand what a difference of opinion is?

Here it is as simply as it can be put:
Stop assuming people do not understand simply because they disagree with you. Your opinion is no more correct that anyone else's.

No, because as i have said, the more peoples who complains about this the faster they will fix the issues. You can't be old in this game if you haven't figured this out yet.


It's an easy fix as it 1) fixes the issues with war targets in the overview for those who want to see the war targets correctly on the overview. 2) is optional to use, so no one is forcing you to use the options. Again, it's the easiest fix possible as a temporary solution and it's easy to put this code into EVE. 3) doesn't gives any drawbacks or other issues back for using those 2 options. it will only affect the corp who sends out war targets, so it's only up to them to choose how they want to run their corp or alliance.



Saying it's not valid isn't an explanation, it's an opinion.

This guy gave an explanation: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4870095#post4870095

He have a valid reason. He do agree my temporary fix is a good idea and makes sense. But he agrees more that CCP should just get their finger out of their ass and fix the issues with the overview right away. That's the best things. But as i know CCP pretty well through the years, i do believe it will take CCP another 5 years to properly fix the issues with the overview. That's the reason i made this proposal.


You still don't understand. The fact that you just says you understands it is just WORDS without any evidences that you actually understands it. I understands it as i see that there are issues on how war targets appears on the overview. You don't as you don't do war decs and haven't done that in forever.


Only your opinion bro. Your opinion doesn't have any meanings as long as you can't explain yourself on why you don't agree.