EVE General Discussion

Yep, 2 months and I am probably done already.

Not sure if dev's want to know why but here goes (even though this might sink to the bottom of the forums or get locked anyway). I tried industry out some, but it takes time and so do the skills to invest into it. It's not bad necessarily, just tedious and I have no desire to min/max everything possibly so I can efficiently build items in the game that I can use for pvp/pve and selling for profit. Selling for profit or isk generation in any aspect in this game seems to go only towards making either more isk or being able to buy the items that you want to use to pve/pvp with. PVE itself is rather uninteresting to me and even though I have not tried all aspects of it out the shooting at red crosses thing and increased difficulty doesn't appeal to me in its current format. Sure there are stories, and sure there are harder enemies to fight that require a tad more strategy. At this point though pve seems like something you just farm over and over again for drops and bounties, perhaps sec status as well. PVP on the other hand is pretty damn exciting and has many elements that are interesting as the challenge changes up depending on the number of ships and their type that you have to face. Yet, I find myself not very good at this and the required number of skills to be proficient can to me get tiring to even bother with. I find myself pulled in many directions as a newer player wanting to do many things and yet finding that to be truly good at them a part of that effort is to skill specifically into those activities and wait. I suppose that is part of the problem inherently there, waiting. While I don't have to wait to get into mission running or fighting other players, or even joining others in their fleet operations I don't feel I can add to the game with lower skill points as well as I would like to be able to. Basically I want to feel that I can do something of significance, and yet with most players with tons of skills points, alts, and accumulated wealth and knowledge in the game my ability to matter seems greatly diminished.

I wanted to like EVE, I want to experience the intrigue of it all, but the truth is that there are massive coalitions that have a stranglehold on nullsec and my ability to truly feel like I can take my own piece of the pie without having to pay a fee monthly to them do so. My ability to feel powerful is diminished also by my lack of skill in pvp. I utterly suck at it, and the hardcore death mechanics of having to potentially refit my implants, by another ship, refit that ship, and then insure all while having to head all the way back out adds insult to injury. I could choose to be a pirate and widen my scope of potential enemies but that is not going to go well when I obviously suck so bad at pvp. Faction warfare is nice and offers a bit more of that structured experience which can be exciting but it seems like everyone is out for good fights and hardly at all out to capture plexes. It seems capturing plexes is looked down on. Many people apparently want fights, and for what logical purpose other then to perhaps fatten ones killboard I have no clue. Maybe they want more isk so they can continue their cycle of killing things in pvp and thus keep up their ability to not have to play any other aspect of the game they don't want. I found it fun for awhile, far more then shooting red crosses in pve or mining, but grew frustrated when I felt like I didn't matter and obviously the lack of skill didn't help as well. Even if I had hung around and grew to learn more and more about the game and became proficient at killing other ship types, that seems to me like something that wouldn't last. I suppose one graduates to killing bigger fish later on, being a part of major fleets which seems interesting.

But what is it all for? I can grind pvp for the sake of kills, I can grind pve mission/incursions/anomalies for isk/rep/drops, or I can be a part of industry. What truly appeals to me as a player is no the number of kills I have, not the amount of isk I can accumulate, but raw power. When you have such massive alliances like Pandemic Legion with a complex operation and HUGE 10+ trillion budget to work with my attempts at power seem miniscule. I don't know how you all might interpret that. I can't fathom though as a new player how anyone can matter or make any real impact on the game when there are such powerful alliances that have essentially set up shop and can project their power anywhere at anytime within the game. They have a hold on that aspect of the game that perhaps I thought would appeal to me. I wanted to explore, to build my own thing, and to perhaps expand and find my own niche. Yet it seems that those very established in the game have made it a near impossibility for me to do so. Instead I am limited to the bland often exaggerated forms of 'content' that players come up with. Killing hulks...lame, Huola campaign was pretty much how faction warfare should be in every zone instead of people just looking for kills, CODE? Are you kidding...killing miners and freighters is so pathetic and boring of an activity I can't believe people would consider that content. The game is mostly boring, has a pretty damn rough death mechanic, and takes way too much time to even be able to do anything of importance and for what? So I can be someone else's *****? There's just something missing from the EVE experience that begs to be introduced. And yeah the game is dangerous, but to me it feels more like an annoyance as I find it stupid and lame to camp gates for hours. Where is the fun in that?

Some might say you don't get EVE...what is there to get O.O? I grew bored of it all. I perhaps also have no desire to play alliance/corp simulator and project power in a sandbox universe that has already been colonized and mastered by players. I am essentially too late to the game.

You have to be really smart and really charismatic to do well in this game.

Look at me for instance.

Join a corp that isn't a renter and actually does things. Something like brave newbies would show you that you don't need millions of SP's to be effective in a battle and have fun.

As for being too late to the game - I remember them telling the Goons something similar when BoB held most of null-sec. They seem to be doing ok though.

Your stuff, is it spoken for?

No you aren't too late, because with the attitude you've displayed every time you've posted, you could have started on May 1st 2003 and you still would have failed.

That may sound harsh, but it's true, you don't seem to have what it takes mentally. The starkest evidence of this is that you took the time to write all that crap when you could have spent the same amount of time figuring out what your goals are and how to overcome the barriers in your way of achieving those goals....like a real EVE player would.

No one who blames others (or the game) for their failures has ever or will ever succeed in EVE Online. And it is in real life as it is in EVE.

Free money is free.

Every tackle frigate can be a game changer in huge fleet battles.. Very little skill points required, a great deal of actual skill comes in handy. Then step up to a destroyer, lay waste in Talwar fleets, lots to do while skill points keep ticking up. All exciting, all meaningful.

It's less about patience, more about how much time you are willing to sink in to the game. Most people won't 'matter' in EVE. It has little to do with when they joined. They just can't wrap their head around the EVE concept. It's an on call job, 23/7 for people who 'matter'. For people like the OP, they look at end game and decide they want nothing to do with that and see anything else the game has to offer as servitude to end game. I'm guilty of this thinking myself at time. It's a hard bug to shake.

Yes. Can I have your Rookie ships you don't need anymore?

Real EVE player detected.