Ships & Modules

Yeah, Tippia, good point on the Orca. Was pointing out the possible, not necessarily the prudent.

Still, I could see myself cargo expanding an Orca to shuttle the 9 Tornados to a remote Gallente Ice-field system, then swapping back to an EHP fit for gank staging operations.

Nerfs to ganking:

-Sec status penalties tripled.
-Concord response time halved.
-insurance system skewed against suicide gankers, but not self destructors.


Buffs to ganking:
-projectile buff (incidental to ganking, however - Large arty was POOP before this)
-Tornado BC of doom.
-Pod KM, with more implants (well, not really a buff, but quite an incentive to train up a podkilling alt....)


Though, this makes me a bit sad for the Tempest.
After years of neglect and suckage, it finally found a role as a prime suicide ganking boat.
Made me so happy to see them suddenly lurking around every high-sec gate, SEBOs pulsing. The highwaymen of old, delivering pain and crushing dreams in an instant.

Now I fear, the poor Tempest is destined to gather dust, once again...!
Perhaps I'll save a few, just for old times sake, maybe start a few 'buff Tempest' threads while I'm at it....

Because there is no need for it — you already have 36k+ m³ cargo hold, 50k m³ ore hold, 40k m³ corp hangar, and a 400k m³ ship hangar. That's plenty. Screw around with cargo containers, and you can boost that a fair bit. Moreover, of all those cargo holds, the only one that drops stuff if you get blown up is the normal cargo hold, which means that the more you stuff into it, the more valuable you become as a target — it should be the last place you put things. Expanding on that hold to put even more stuff into it only does one thing: it makes you an even more valuable target.


…ok, that's not true. It actually does two things: it also weakens your armour and/or hull and/or competes with shield rigs, and thus absolutely guts your EHP. So not only does it increase your loot-worthiness (ehm… yes), it also makes you much easier to kill, which drastically increases your value as a target. You've turned from being beefy as hell and with no valuable drops into weak as hell with tons of goodies spilling out.

A tanked Orca can have almost 300k EHP and carry nearly 530k m³ of stuff.
A cargo-expanded Orca will easily drop down to 80k EHP and will carry maybe 570k m³ of stuff.
That minuscule increase in carrying capacity is not worth the massive reduction in EHP.

Ok. Points taken and noted.

Thank you for that lengthly explanation.

Cheers!

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Pak

Dammit Wilkus you were supposed to keep this on the down low. Stop scaring all the prey.

Now, inquiring ninjas want to know, do CNR/Tengu bots activate their tank immediately upon jumping through a gate? We've already picked our target systems which are close enough to Jita that the Orca gang won't even be required.

sounds fun

The solution, as I see it for these guys is to kill them.

Bait them and pod them. Sure you lose a mining barge/Exhumer, but they lose their pod. If you can't afford to lose a ship you are playing the wrong game.

Stop being whiners. Man up and have some fun. Ganker tears is best tears.

Whats that you say?

Roving squads of destroyers actively hunting down staged suicide ganking Tornado's... squads of Tornados actively hunting down Orca's fulll of Tornados being transported?

NOT IN MY EVE!!!

Where do you get 50m from?

Tempests can get 17k volley?

Now, after having laid off 20% of its workforce, CCP plans to lay off 20% of the player base too. True story.




Nah, seriously, maybe it is about time for a revision of the criminal flagging system, from an age long gone, to the benefit of all parties involved.