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Holy hell, the Tornado is a gankers dream.

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Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#201 - 2011-11-23 03:14:49 UTC
Andski wrote:
just got back from sams club, bought some pumpkin pie, potatoes (for making ~mashed~ potatoes), some loose leaf earl grey, a nice turkey, and a bunch of other stuff

thanksgivin is going to be awesome


Damn i am good at sniping /* that is actually edit.

Isnt it too early for such shopping ?
Richard Hammond II
Doomheim
#202 - 2011-11-23 05:29:58 UTC
Andski wrote:
It has the same falloff bonus as a Machariel. Fit 1400s, sensor boosters, gyros and TEs and hit stuff with falloff at 200km with short-range ammo, hell yeah


so.... is it gonna cost a billion isk like the machariel?

Goons; infiltration at its best - first bob... now ccp itself. They dont realize you guys dot take this as "just a game". Bring it down guys, we're rooting for you.
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#203 - 2011-11-23 05:35:12 UTC
Richard Hammond II wrote:
Andski wrote:
It has the same falloff bonus as a Machariel. Fit 1400s, sensor boosters, gyros and TEs and hit stuff with falloff at 200km with short-range ammo, hell yeah


so.... is it gonna cost a billion isk like the machariel?


No since it can get destroyed by destroyer.
But that point is pretty moot in high sec. Big smile
Richard Hammond II
Doomheim
#204 - 2011-11-23 05:45:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Richard Hammond II
Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:
Richard Hammond II wrote:
Andski wrote:
It has the same falloff bonus as a Machariel. Fit 1400s, sensor boosters, gyros and TEs and hit stuff with falloff at 200km with short-range ammo, hell yeah


so.... is it gonna cost a billion isk like the machariel?


No since it can get destroyed by destroyer.
But that point is pretty moot in high sec. Big smile


I think the tank is moot on this thing...

Its not designed to TAKE hits - that would mean it was actually designed to do something OTHER than gank

Goons; infiltration at its best - first bob... now ccp itself. They dont realize you guys dot take this as "just a game". Bring it down guys, we're rooting for you.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#205 - 2011-11-23 10:44:55 UTC
Richard Hammond II wrote:
Andski wrote:
It has the same falloff bonus as a Machariel. Fit 1400s, sensor boosters, gyros and TEs and hit stuff with falloff at 200km with short-range ammo, hell yeah


so.... is it gonna cost a billion isk like the machariel?


don't get me wrong, the mach will still be the king of alpha

the tornado will be a great ship for perfecting your drive-by technique and applying that technique with the mach, owning scrubs all day

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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#206 - 2011-11-23 11:35:07 UTC
Richard Hammond II wrote:
Andski wrote:
It has the same falloff bonus as a Machariel. Fit 1400s, sensor boosters, gyros and TEs and hit stuff with falloff at 200km with short-range ammo, hell yeah


so.... is it gonna cost a billion isk like the machariel?


The Machariel also has 6 digit EHP, a heavy Neut and a massive drone bay.

Oh and they're rather less than a billion ISK these days. You could probably undock a T2 fit mach from Jita 4-4 and get change from 700M these days.

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Eyup Mi'duck
Doomheim
#207 - 2011-11-23 11:46:03 UTC
Outrageous blasphemy!

To the OP: Hell is not holy, and never ever will be. I suggest you change the title of your thread before you get struck down by a lightening bolt.

Or a Tornado.

I am me.         I am not you.     I have my own thoughts.     I am very happy with this situation.
Buck Futz
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#208 - 2012-01-24 13:09:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Buck Futz
Well, after having some time to extensively play around with the Tornado....
It is a ganking MONSTER. Boomerang from hell.
http://y0ink.us/killboard/?a=pilot_detail&plt_ext_id=1330198615&view=kills

Its no surprise that the Tornado far outstrips every other BC/BS in this regard. (Even the Talos!)

Did you know that you can gank Mackinaws with T2 Tornados......PROFITABLY?

Taken down almost 150 Exhumers in the last few weeks.

SB Typhoons accounted for about 35.
Dessies, perhaps 10 or so. (mostly solo ganking weak Macks with T2 Blaster Catalysts)

The rest? Fell to T2 Tornados. How do you do this without wrecking your wallet? Well....

Self-built T2 Tornado hull+fit costs around 80M, and drops about 20M after death.
Mackinaws and Hulks generally drop around 5-10M, each in loot.

Kill 2-4 Mackinaws/Hulks per Tornado attack - and recover the drops, and you are breaking even.
Then, factor in T2 Salvage (20-25M T2 Intact Plates!!! + 4M Logic Circuits) and you are actually coming out well ahead.

If you can keep your kill ratio at around 3 Exhumers/Tornado, you do quite well, generally coming out ahead 25-50M or so, per attack run. (Oh, and this was mostly in 0.7 systems....)

Talos can't really do this, mainly due to short range and lack of the instapop - its likely better for tearing down Orcas with its massive DPS.

Granted, groups of destroyers can gank even more efficiently, (looking at you Smodab!) but I gank solo 95% of the time - and operate in Gallente space where the bruised and beaten Ice miners have learned the hard way NOT to tank exclusively with Cap Recharger IIs.

Oh yes, after this, layer on 'protection fees' from threatening miners. 3 Billion so far - all profit. Yes, they will pay to be left alone when you use tracking agents/addressbook to hunt them and gank/pod them repeatedly.

Interestingly, I believe that it should be possible to get as many as 6 Mackinaw kills with a single Tornado - just a matter of finding plenty of targets within 30km radius. Lag from geographical distance and lousy internet makes it difficult - but still experimenting with my fit and technique - or killing in 'easier' 0.5 systems.

What I want?
CCP to remove the stupid 'You are committing a crime' pop-up when you ALREADY are GCC'd. The initial warning is fine...but getting it over and over??? With the back and forth communication required across the globe, it costs you precious seconds.

If you are trying to light up several Miners and are ALREADY doomed to Concord death - it makes no sense and gets in the way, having to keep smacking Enter, over and over. Evil
Terrolph Trick
Doomheim
#209 - 2012-01-24 13:12:53 UTC
Nice bump mate!
IGNATIUS HOOD
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#210 - 2012-01-24 13:16:32 UTC
You had me at....

Herr Wilkus wrote:

But Orcas and Tornados go together like my belt buckle and your forehead.


Just about spit coffee on my laptop...
"Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats."   --H.L. Mencken
Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC
#211 - 2012-01-24 13:44:41 UTC
Singlehandedly responsible for me training up Large Arty Spec V. Sometimes, you just need to be 2% longer.
Holy One
Privat Party
#212 - 2012-01-24 14:10:26 UTC
Tornado is rubbish. You're all literally ********.

:)
John Maynard Keynes
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#213 - 2012-01-24 14:11:48 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Herr Wilkus wrote:
Finally got a chance to EFT this new toy.

Hell yes, who needs insurance when you've got Tornado-power?


13.1K Alpha with RF PP (at 30km).


T2 Hull and Fitting Cost, likely around 70-80M, with half of the mods recoverable after the gank.


1x Tornado can kill two Hulks or Mackinaws with a single hull in 0.5-0.7 space. (**just bait Concord correctly so they respond in MORE than 13 seconds). Tear return? 50M spent to blast 440M worth of Hulks into dust.

2x Tornados kill most active Tengus for 100M. And you know how blingy they can be. Costing the victim SP is a bonus.
5x Tornados kill just about any active tanked Marauder for 250M. Deadspace XL Shield Boosters anyone?
15x Tornados? Now we are talking dead freighters, for a mere 750M investment up front.

Thats some serious TEAR potential.

I plan to have several Tornado BPOs in heavy rotation. I will keep my local trade hub swimming in these things, simply as a public service. Soon, we enter a new age of dead Tengus and broken Hulks. Twisted


If these numbers are accurate, then CCP will be nerfing the boat.
I imagine there are large corps/alliances (read as Goons), that would use these boats as game-changing economic modifiers.
When I say game changing, I mean creating a new economic paradigm all-together.
In a matter of weeks, they could alter the vast majority of commerce in the game, simply by establishing suicide gank squads around Jita's entrance/exit gates, and destroying every Orca/freighter that moves through.

Imagine a situation where only Goon-friendly freighters come and go from Jita.
CCP will not allow that situation to occur, since it will devastate the game, and who knows how many subscriptions they would lose.

The Blue Ice embargo may have been a dry run for something far more destructive.



Well the goons tried to fuckup RaidenDOT. They gatheren an coalition around them and destroyed a couple of goon fleets.

The goons started an attack against high sec ice miners. They opened a threadnaught and started to whine.


hmmm...
Ciar Meara
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#214 - 2012-01-24 14:24:12 UTC
Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:
As i said many times

Crucible : the new gank heaven.

simple fix

let concord insta pop any pod considered as an enemy. "outlaw" xD that would be fun.


There is nothing wrong with ganking, but on the other hand all criminals shot be shot in the head.

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Ehn Roh
#215 - 2012-01-24 20:11:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Ehn Roh
Ptraci wrote:
And once again CCP watches their plans backfire as a ship designed to take on CAPITAL ships will be massively used against: industrials.

This is why we can't have nice things. You whine like spoiled children for new toys, and yet insist that the only fruit you want is the one on the low branch. Go forth into null, and use these ships to carve away slices of the large alliances. Ah, no, that would be work. Ganking miners in high sec is more fun. THEN you complain when there's no one left to gank. Exactly why the hell do you play EVE again?


How is someone else's industrial not a valid target? If my competitor/oppononet/enemy is in hi-sec, why go shoot some other dude in nullsec?

This doesn't even make any sense. You don't get to dictate who my enemies are, and if you are one hiding in hi-sec is not going to save you.

Are you actually suggesting that I should be required to engage you in a ship type of your choice?
JC Anderson
RED ROSE THORN
#216 - 2012-01-24 20:49:58 UTC
Before these ships ever even made it to tranquility, most people knew that they would be widely used for this purpose... Why would anybody be surprised about this?

And as the above poster questioned, how are industrials not valid targets?
Marcus Atredies
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#217 - 2012-01-24 21:07:12 UTC
So just to get this straight, the hulk you plan on ganking is going to drop more than 80 mil in mods?
MinerChick
Perkone
Caldari State
#218 - 2012-01-24 22:01:05 UTC
Don't forget Tech 2 salvage and the fact you are going to pop 2-3 of them per ship! Stripminer 2's are not cheap broski.
Thomas Abernathy
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#219 - 2012-01-24 22:22:56 UTC
Wait, is it time to send out my bait Hulks?
I've missed the fail of watching wannabee gankers pop before Concord even shows....Smile



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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#220 - 2012-01-24 22:35:05 UTC
Psychophantic wrote:
Everyone knows suicide gankers and gate campers are basement dwelling sociopaths seething with sexual frustration and social rejection.

+1 'Like' and quoted for truth.

Oh yeah, you forgot to include Forum Trolls.

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