Player Features and Ideas Discussion

There was interesting piece of news in themittani.com. One thing particularly focused my attention. It was remote repairers that ruin game because they are too powerful. I have here two possible solutions to fix remote repairers and remote capacitor transfer problem.

1. Remote repairers and capacitor transfer are limited to specialized ships that use them. Capital size modules could only be used by Rorqual and large modules by Orca. This way all ships doing remote repair or cap transfer are vulnerable to EWAR and there is no way of using combat ships to create network of remote repair. ECM is countermeasure for remote repair. Remote repair ships need to be able to lock targets to repair them. Repair drones can be destroyed by attack drones.

2. This is a bit more extreme: Deploydable that prevents use of remote repairs and cap transfers. This would make remote repair impossible in battles most of times.

Comments are welcome for my ideas.

Here is link to themittani.com news that brought my attention to this issue.
http://themittani.com/features/rethinking-nullsec?page=0%2C0

The only issue with remote reps if you directly compare it to EWAR is how they both scale. Remote reps scale very well because someone broadcasts, and all the logis in that fleet know where the damage will be going. That being said, nobody else in your fleet can see what EWAR is being applied to the enemy, other then maybe, suddenly I'm not locked up by a dozen people in the 200 man fleet.

The problem with reps is not that they can be used by other ships.

The problem with reps (and I have been saying this since 2010) is that they are infinitely scalable, and perfectly sustainable.

Both of those can be addressed with diminishing returns mechanics.

So, for the first one, you'll be completely refunding all SP anyone has in Triage, refunding the cost of the triage mods too, and introducing an entirely new way to repair structures, right? Tactical Logistics Reconfiguration V is upwards of 2 million SP after all, and you want the module removed outright.

And for the second, why should logi be a class of ships that it is never actually worth undocking in?

No there wasn't.

According to TMC, pretty much everything in the game is broken, with the sole exception of their 1000 man multi- fleets teleporting anyplace they want anytime they want.

Remote reps are working fine. Non-logi ships have no bonuses to repping and are just as vulnerable to ewar. logi ships can be jammed out or killed. Capital fights are another issue, but never take what you read about them at face value.

Perhaps you should ignore themittani dot com site? Or at least not refer to it and thus avoid appearing to cross post propaganda from goons.

The problem with DPS is that it is infinitely scalable and perfectly sustainable....
Remote reps are also not infinitely scalable because you hit a point where the ship is instantly alpha'ed.

As long as DPS shoots straight through all friendly ships, hostile ships and structures, remote reps are fine in how they work. It's possible the numbers need tiny tweaks, but until the blob has downsides of friendly fire and blocked angles of fire, the current way remote reps works is needed.

It's interesting how an opinion story (because it's not news, really) gets posted on TMC and suddenly a load of people start posting different threads on the F&I forums parroting the *opinion*.

Taking a heavy handed approach to logi is just going to cause more problems than it addresses.

Having flown in fleets where both have sufficient logi to counter the other fleet I can tell you that they don't just pack up and go home. It becomes a competition as to who can break the other fleet's reps using whatever tools are available. Examples are, EWAR, broadcast flooding, picking off enemies that are too far out amongst others. The first two of those examples, when executed correctly, allows the destruction of some of the opposing logi which will then allow you more room for killing other ships. Logi aren't a problem, from my experience. They merely extend the length of a battle and allow more options in terms of tactics.

Sometimes you might hit a fleet with enough logi to stop you from killing anything but generally if the opposing fleet has enough logi to stop your entire fleet and you don't, you either have a bad fleet composition or you have a smaller fleet and the differing fleet sizes generally means that you'd still have lost even if all those logi pilots were in dps ships so the point is somewhat moot.

Not news, but an opinion piece, there is a difference. And you have already been pointed to the need to take it with a grain of salt.

And nerfing reps fixes the game how?

You have to think about the reaction that will happen when you want to change something. Are you left with something better then before?

Do you want fleets to have less logi and more DPS ships or do you want to force people to have to bring more logi ships? Do you want people to not bring logi ships at all?