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admiral root
Red Galaxy
#361 - 2014-08-23 18:55:32 UTC
NEONOVUS wrote:
Can I donate 300 gank fit catalysts as the prize for the most ganked venture pilot?
I figure they might be looking at a profession change after this.


That would make an awesome prize.

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff
Anal Canal
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#362 - 2014-08-23 21:46:48 UTC
NEONOVUS wrote:
Can I donate 300 gank fit catalysts as the prize for the most ganked venture pilot?
I figure they might be looking at a profession change after this.



That would make a very fantastic prize for that pilot, and hopefully open their eyes to areas of Eve.

The Artist Formerly Known As AC. 

The terminal end of the digestive system. 

The Best CSM Candidate
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#363 - 2014-08-24 07:46:17 UTC
Zora'e wrote:
You know... Back when I first started playing EVE I mined. It was isk I used to buy skill books, time I used to train and consider what I wanted to do in EVE. I ran (and still do occasionally) Missions and discovered that was even more lucrative than mining... so I dumped my mining ship for a mission boat. Then I joined a Low Sec corp and got into PvP... loved the adrenaline rush even when I got my backside handed to me. Eventually I moved on to a Null sec corp and had some fun there as well. After time I moved into a C-3 wormhole and discovered an entirely new level of EVE. But as with all things in EVE, life doesn't always allow us to dedicate the time to do or live in some areas/regions and so I moved back to High-Sec.

Now. In High Sec I still fly with the reflexes I learned in Null/WH life. D-scan is always up, ships are fit as well as I can for combat (I am in no way an elite PvP'r) and most of the time I assume there is someone out there waiting for the chance to turn my pretty gold plated Amarr ships into a Minmatar battlecruiser..err I mean twisted wreckage.

However.... had I been ganked in my first week or two of playing EVE, I would never have enjoyed the rest of EVE at all. I'd have walked away from the game and considered it a bad investment. Lets be truthful here and not try to BS ourselves. How I described my journey in EVE above is probably fairly typical of many longer term EVE players. They start out small. unsure, confused. They find something that makes them a decent amount of money and they do it. With luck and some effort on corp recruiters behalf they find a group of people to fly with who will help them learn the other aspects of EVE.

With bad luck, someone flies in and suicide ganks them and dollars to dimes, they never return to the game.

I have in the past (and still do) supported Hulkageddon with billions of Isk (Hell I flew with Helicity in The Python Cartel, so yeah). I don't support this event at all. It targets in general, people who are likely to be low sp. Many who are true new players. It is in general a bad idea in my opinion because of that. However.. If it is within the rules and CCP doesn't put the kibosh on it, then all I can say is I think it is a bad idea.

~Z



Agree with this 100%. I'm a big opponent of mining, consider it to be utterly miserable and stupid, and would like to see it removed from the game. Nevertheless, its legit that new players will try it for a couple of weeks as a way of making isk. To start a whole contest to gank them, make them cry, and likely cause them to quit Eve is utterly stupid and counterproductive. Had my first experience in Eve been getting ganked and podded, and then immediately going bankrupt, I almost surely would have quit the game.
TharOkha
0asis Group
#364 - 2014-08-24 16:32:12 UTC
Zora'e wrote:
You know... Back when I first started playing EVE I mined. It was isk I used to buy skill books, time I used to train and consider what I wanted to do in EVE. I ran (and still do occasionally) Missions and discovered that was even more lucrative than mining... so I dumped my mining ship for a mission boat. Then I joined a Low Sec corp and got into PvP... loved the adrenaline rush even when I got my backside handed to me. Eventually I moved on to a Null sec corp and had some fun there as well. After time I moved into a C-3 wormhole and discovered an entirely new level of EVE. But as with all things in EVE, life doesn't always allow us to dedicate the time to do or live in some areas/regions and so I moved back to High-Sec.

Now. In High Sec I still fly with the reflexes I learned in Null/WH life. D-scan is always up, ships are fit as well as I can for combat (I am in no way an elite PvP'r) and most of the time I assume there is someone out there waiting for the chance to turn my pretty gold plated Amarr ships into a Minmatar battlecruiser..err I mean twisted wreckage.

However.... had I been ganked in my first week or two of playing EVE, I would never have enjoyed the rest of EVE at all. I'd have walked away from the game and considered it a bad investment. Lets be truthful here and not try to BS ourselves. How I described my journey in EVE above is probably fairly typical of many longer term EVE players. They start out small. unsure, confused. They find something that makes them a decent amount of money and they do it. With luck and some effort on corp recruiters behalf they find a group of people to fly with who will help them learn the other aspects of EVE.

With bad luck, someone flies in and suicide ganks them and dollars to dimes, they never return to the game.

I have in the past (and still do) supported Hulkageddon with billions of Isk (Hell I flew with Helicity in The Python Cartel, so yeah). I don't support this event at all. It targets in general, people who are likely to be low sp. Many who are true new players. It is in general a bad idea in my opinion because of that. However.. If it is within the rules and CCP doesn't put the kibosh on it, then all I can say is I think it is a bad idea.

~Z


THIS !!!! IdeaIdeaIdea

CODE. Venture hunt contest in a nutshell
admiral root
Red Galaxy
#365 - 2014-08-24 17:05:30 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
Agree with this 100%. I'm a big opponent of mining, consider it to be utterly miserable and stupid, and would like to see it removed from the game. Nevertheless, its legit that new players will try it for a couple of weeks as a way of making isk. To start a whole contest to gank them, make them cry, and likely cause them to quit Eve is utterly stupid and counterproductive. Had my first experience in Eve been getting ganked and podded, and then immediately going bankrupt, I almost surely would have quit the game.


This is quite reasonable. OTOH, we frequently see people who manage to avoid unwanted interaction for months, or even years, accumulate plenty of in-game wealth and then experience non-consentual asploding of their ship and they still rant, scream, make death threats and / or un-sub.

Personally, I think it's better to weed them out early - it's both good for the game and it's good for them because they can move along and find a game they'll actually enjoy. It's also good because they're less likely to stick around and crusade for Eve to become non-Eve which, as we've seen, results in un-necessary barge buffs and other nerfs to ganking. It leads to being able to trivially evade wardecs, demands for even more highsec incursions and all the other heresies that Feyd and his inquisitors deal with on a daily basis.

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff
Anal Canal
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#366 - 2014-08-25 21:43:15 UTC
This ends a week from today. (Technically Monday at 00:00:00)
Any guesses at the leader board? Maybe next time we could set up some form of wager of pilots...
Regardless, the contest is going fantastic, very exciting. So many great KMs I have received. I would like to thank in advance all participants who have engaged in this

So many tallies have been counted, I am waiting for the last few days to see what else can happen!

The Artist Formerly Known As AC. 

The terminal end of the digestive system. 

The Best CSM Candidate
Anal Canal
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#367 - 2014-08-29 07:54:15 UTC
Just a few days left! Anyone able to catch the 350+ front runner?

(Also, all kill will need to be verified so please allow at least a couple days for the tally to be consummated, and yes I mean that word.)

The Artist Formerly Known As AC. 

The terminal end of the digestive system. 

The Best CSM Candidate
Darkblad
Doomheim
#368 - 2014-08-29 08:26:49 UTC
The current week is going slow. Hopefully the weekend will change that (weeks are from monday to sunday). But Unpas participants really know how to do it.

NPE – ISD – RIP
Helicity Boson
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#369 - 2014-08-29 10:06:11 UTC
I don't particularly see the point in mass ganking complete newbies in very inexpensive ships. But meh.
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#370 - 2014-08-31 01:44:02 UTC
The point, as usual, is tears. New Players are much more affected by the fiscal and psychological affects of losing a ship, even a cheap one, than experiences players are. Hence going after ventures.
NEONOVUS
Mindstar Technology
Goonswarm Federation
#371 - 2014-08-31 03:02:51 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
The point, as usual, is tears. New Players are much more affected by the fiscal and psychological affects of losing a ship, even a cheap one, than experiences players are. Hence going after ventures.

You also cant solo kill a procurer or skiff
Anal Canal
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#372 - 2014-08-31 05:16:42 UTC
NEONOVUS wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
The point, as usual, is tears. New Players are much more affected by the fiscal and psychological affects of losing a ship, even a cheap one, than experiences players are. Hence going after ventures.

You also cant solo kill a procurer or skiff



You can also get into a cheap, low SP venture killing ship in under 3 days. So we wanted to have the contest open for everyone.

The Artist Formerly Known As AC. 

The terminal end of the digestive system. 

The Best CSM Candidate
Lucrezzia
The Cursed Company
#373 - 2014-08-31 10:39:16 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
The point, as usual, is tears. New Players are much more affected by the fiscal and psychological affects of losing a ship, even a cheap one, than experiences players are. Hence going after ventures.


I'm affraid you are wrong. I've ganked a few Ventures in this contest and crying newbies were almost nonexistent. I got just about 6 hateful messages (usually from characters older than 2 months) and many more mails like "rofl didn't expect that, gg" or "wtf just happened?". And these mails gave me an opportunity to contact these newbies, give them some tips about game mechanics and encourage them to try other activities in EVE. These new players are lost in this game and they really need some kind of advice about what to do there. A single, cheap ship lost in this way isn't a problem if they find a path they want to follow after this accident. A few ganked newbies are planning to join Brave Collective when they become more confident with this game and some want to join Factional Warfare. This event helped these newbies to realise that losing a ship isn't so painful as they though and they should try some more dangerous parts of EVE.

The biggest issue I see there is the common sense among new players that they can't do anything in game without enough skill points and isk. The usual recommendation from other players in hi-sec is "Stay there and get some SP, farm some isk through mining. Don't go anywhere else, you gonna die!" That's a piece of crap, not recommendation! A few-hours old newbie can jump into a frigate with scram, web and some basic tanking modules and be quite useful in fleets. They can enjoy FW from the first day or they can join a newbie-friendly low/null-sec corporation and have their ships reimbursed whenever they welp them. Staying in hi-sec mining is the most mind-numbling activity and it can just lead to quitting this game.

This event needs some support from player organisations like UNI, RvB, HERO, etc. and it can be a great opportunity to push newbies into something fun instead of mining in hi-sec. That element was lacking in this event, but I hope it can be improved in the future ones.
Steppa Musana
Doomheim
#374 - 2014-08-31 14:35:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Steppa Musana
Yeah.... going after newbies is a new low for these folks P.

The New Order as an idea is quite neat but CODE. itself is a very poorly managed organization.
Leader James 315 is severely ignorant about game mechanics and is also terrible at forming combat operations
Co-Leader loyalanon is a reasonable combat leader but is just awful at PR and understanding the greater EVE community.

CODE. could be so much more.... soooooooooooooo much more. They could truly dominate high-sec in a meaningful manner. It's unfortunate there's no one leading them towards such a path. Instead they are lead into ganking newbies in 500,000 ISK ships.

Hey guys.
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#375 - 2014-08-31 22:36:08 UTC
Steppa Musana wrote:
Yeah.... going after newbies is a new low for these folks P.

The New Order as an idea is quite neat but CODE. itself is a very poorly managed organization.
Leader James 315 is severely ignorant about game mechanics and is also terrible at forming combat operations
Co-Leader loyalanon is a reasonable combat leader but is just awful at PR and understanding the greater EVE community.

CODE. could be so much more.... soooooooooooooo much more. They could truly dominate high-sec in a meaningful manner. It's unfortunate there's no one leading them towards such a path. Instead they are lead into ganking newbies in 500,000 ISK ships.


Agree 100% except for the "reasonable combat leader part." https://zkillboard.com/kill/40980049/ ggwp.
NEONOVUS
Mindstar Technology
Goonswarm Federation
#376 - 2014-08-31 23:51:07 UTC
So to which noob do I give the 300 gankalysts?
Anal Canal
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#377 - 2014-09-01 20:35:47 UTC
Please see Here on how to submit results for the venture contest.

The Artist Formerly Known As AC. 

The terminal end of the digestive system. 

The Best CSM Candidate
Anal Canal
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#378 - 2014-09-01 20:36:39 UTC
NEONOVUS wrote:
So to which noob do I give the 300 gankalysts?


I have an idea of who but need to check to see if anything else comes through just in case.

The Artist Formerly Known As AC. 

The terminal end of the digestive system. 

The Best CSM Candidate
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#379 - 2014-09-02 00:33:41 UTC
NEONOVUS wrote:
Can I donate 300 gank fit catalysts as the prize for the most ganked venture pilot?
I figure they might be looking at a profession change after this.


You, sir, are an excellent human being.

I support the New Order and CODE. alliance. www.minerbumping.com
Anal Canal
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#380 - 2014-09-02 21:54:09 UTC
Please ensure that mails are sent by the end of Sept 3rd EVE time so that your efforts can be included in this wonderful contest. So many wonderful entries so far, I hope that there are more to come.

The Artist Formerly Known As AC. 

The terminal end of the digestive system. 

The Best CSM Candidate