Player Features and Ideas Discussion

That's something to look at when you're picking your targets. Same reason you wouldn't necessarily go after a cruiser fleet with equal frigates or take your two battleships against a frigate fleet, you wouldn't take laser boats against T2 Minmatar.

damage bonuses to specific sized drones is the best way forward i feel

Ishtar
Gal bonuses
10% damage/HP to light and medium drones, 7.5% damage/HP to heavy drones, 5% damage to sentry drones
7.5% heavy drone max velocity and tracking speed

HAC bonuses
5% tracking/optimal range to sentry drones
5km to drone operation range

dronebay 125/325

Navy Vexor
Gal bonuses
10% damage/HP to light and medium drones, 7.5% damage/HP to heavy drones, 5% damage to sentry drones
5% drone max velocity and tracking speed

you can sensor damp the istar itself, or jam it. Also, no other weapon system can be destroyed outright. Its hard to catch any kiiter or sniper as it is, factor in a deadspace or fw site where someone is set up and theres not much you can do. If hes stupid he'll let you get within range. if your stupid youll burn straight at him. Doesnt have to be an ishtar. Snipers have the advantage of being able to hit you waaaaay before you can burn to them also, sentries dont move which means that you either have to abandon them or scoop and mwd away and drop them again. Again, its not perfect in every sitution if the istar was set up out side of an accel gate it would be almost impossible to get a lock on someone who warps to 10 and buttuns straight in. In the even that you did you would immediately loose lock.

As for other ships in the same class.....I'd say that the gallente ships are a bit more balanced than others across almost every class. I despise galente and I think their ships are ugly cept for the megathron, but even I had to train up their race because they offer a bit more flexibility and capability.

a. cerberus pre light missile nerf, but with missile damage delay it doesnt fit. I remember fondly being smashed at 80+km. Could try a Ham version, but t2 hams use a crap ton of cpu, not enough pg onboard.

b muninn, utterly useless. ive never encountered one in eve life.

c. sacrilege can go toe to toe with deimos and take the sentry damage and dish out more than 500 dps, buffer or dual rep with its cap. But the sac cant close range fast enough.

d I'd like to vote the eagle for sniping and tanking abilities, but its lacking in dps and speed, which is odd for a shield ship. Also rails without tracking bonuses are a bit difficult.

e. Deimos? has tracking bonus almost as fast can dish out dps and tank like a boss. although, im not certain it can hit 80km though.

Winner? Pre-kronos gila perhaps. Tanks better and could honestly, even without the tracking bonus, out dps the ishter. I like the new Gila, but they coudve gave 25Mbit with the baility to use one sentry

The problem with rebalancing is that in the process we unbalance other things :/

Edit: Even if you jam or damp the Ishtar, or any drone ship, drones may still attack you in some instances if you agress first or are agressed , but in the scenario you mentioned at the beginning, the sentries would be preoccupied with shooting rats. The drones will stop shooting and or will continue shooting random rats.

What you are seeing is a problem of scaling. CCP has had this trouble in many areas especially in the giant slowcat/wrecking ball fleets. AT a certain point you need multiples of the number of people on field to break say the repair amaount...or enough void bombs to cap out all of the carriers within a 52km radius sphere...you can do the math I don't feel like it.

The issue with the Ishtar is that it does too much too well. When this was first ont he test server I was laughing with joy that they gave me a tool that was so obviously overpowered. In W-space we knew that this would replace our Talos gangs immediately...which had previously been our carrier killer of choice when we went hunting.

anyone with half a brain that tried it out knew it was OP then. Its still mostly OP becuase yes the drones may be destroyed but you can carry 3 full sets in the bay plus another 3 sets in cargo alongside a mobile depot. Run out of sets? Warp off to a safe spot...refill. The weapons use no cap...leave you room for all kinds of silly high slot configurations. They have more DPS at higher ranges than any medium turret...with tracking that can be 2-3x as good as a comparable medium turret.

Additionally if they have their drones deployed and you try and EWAR the ishtar? The drones lock you can are very very angry! So they are mostly ewar proof. In low sec people blob with armor ishtars and t1 cheap logi. Unless you have a counter drop you're S.O.L. and there is no way to hold a fleet on field in low sec. Hero tackle is necessary and cheap and effective. No worries.

errrm, people are complaining about the Ishtars abilities in small gang aswell as large scale.

The Ishtar is obscenely overpowered. I still believe that the whole issue would simply be fixed by creating small and medium sentry drones. Then reducing the Ishtars bandwidth to 50M/Bit and changing the bonuses to medium drones. The damage bonus would have to be increased a little but the projection issue (which I think is the biggest issue) would be solved.

Are these the onyl Iterations on ships that are taking place in this release?


http://i.imgur.com/0go6Kmz.jpg

I still think the old gila would wreck the Ishtar.

I see them all the time and use them all the time. Small Ishtar gangs are actually killing PvP.

Even solo Ishtars! I warp to anything in an Ishtar and they run away. Seriously. It's rediculous. Even when I'm PvE fit competing for a site with a strategic cruiser. They run away and leave me to the site.

If I'm solo myself, I will always avoid an Ishtar. That is a problem. And I'm extremely Leeroy Jenkins. I've whelped fleets just fun fun but if I see Ishtars and I know we don't have moar Ishtars than them then we don't engage.

I figure the ishtar isn't bling enough and don't field enough EHP for your hi-sec "merc" fellas.

As for your other targets, I guess the likes of Eve Uni don't have the Skillpoints and/or Isk to fly these on a regular basis.

Look at what you are comparing it to 1v1 and see the issue. You are matching it against 2 T3's, well known to be OP. And a Pirate Cruiser designed for soloing almost with exceptional range and speed.
That would be why you aren't using them in tiny scale. You are using extreme bling T3's and pirate cruisers instead. If these are your 'balance' counter for Ishtars, then that in itself says Ishtars are Op.