Warfare & Tactics

Props to Biohazard, I have to admit, I did think you would be the weak link, not the one that actually held it all together for so long. o7

It is interesting to see how far apart both sides can be even on the impression of situations where both were present to see. Thanks for the read, Major Trant.

From my understanding, a few things you are clearly not aware or chose to omit:

1. The operation, if I am correct, was to begin a month later after some preparations - instead there was a what the hell gung ho!
2. Activity in Amarr forces was acutally in decline amongst some of the players (24eme in particular). RL is just a *****.
3. Being backs against the wall, pushed the MinGall to use any and all resources in order to get the "win".
4. A number of brand new (I think you used the term "power of two") toons in 24th IC were created (most likely by Gall) solely to Awox.
5. There are plenty of "neutrals" in the four farthings (regions) that have alignment due to their isk making alts. I think this was in your favour.
6. Stats, no matter how accurate, do not present the full picture. (This is why killboard stats and participation values add up to so very little of the whole picture).


Many GF's were had and whilst it is accurate the ultimate desire was to flip you out of there (AVNG primary purpose) a lot of us were there simply to get the fun factor and watch explosions.


Look forward to being online again and staring down the barrel of them AC's and Howie's.





This just goes to confirm my opinion of you.

LOL You're kinda right. I read the first three posts =p

Yeah, cuz a smaller group can never defeat a larger group.........

Such obvious heavy handed lies aren't actually very clever. They are easily refuted by the cold hard facts found on killboards or by the reports of people on your own side. Check out FHP and I talking about Arzad in the infamous Burn Huola thread, somewhere in the mid-20s, for something nearer the truth. A lie this blatant cannot stand. Try going somewhere even vaguely near reality for your psych-ops to have any value, mate.

If you actually believe what you said and you were in the Arzad Campaign I strongly suggest seeking medical attention because your brain has malfunctioned spectacularly.

Every POV is biased - so I respect MTs tale of the burn houla campaign. MTs story adds content to EVE - and that is what faction warfare is about. Every man has to stand for his own opinion.

Some facts from an insider:

-The campaign started one month before schedule. After the inital command meeting (I attended on TS) the attack was begun with a the mere prep time of 24 hours.

-We sold nearly all our stuff and mobilzed the corp (AVNG) with about 4-6 active pilots. Compare this to Unternehmen Barbarossa - that attack was stalled six weeks, so the assault forces had to fight an an early beginning winter. I want to point out that a rush is not optimal when timing is of the essence. So Barbarossa failed - with advance troops in the suburbs of the emeny capital. The same happend in burn huola.


-The amarr miltia - mostly Biohazard and AVNG attacked and fought against the full weight of the scrambling minmatar milita, a gal expedition force (big respect for your gals effort on field and in command) and local pirate entities- PL etc. Big respect to Biohazard -they really bled with us.


-Neutrals helped us - Misty in the first place. Most neutrals fought us.


Who ever dared and did that in FW? - Nobody.


-This all out assault was done only because of one reason: Boredom about the dead warzone. Some of our pilots had no fun playing EVE any more and wanted to do one last thing before quitting the game.


-The attack force did break from the inside - some agreements that were made at the command meeting were not met. Many allies did not show - due to the rush and some unneccesary diplomatic incidents. Some "allies" even avoxed the amarr milita.

-Many facts that AVNG command pointed out to their allies where not recieved - until the **** started flying. So many allies learned how to wage faction war at the front - even a known mercanary commander had to learn on the fly how to take plexes.

The SS did refresh at the front - our ppl did not met this harsh standarts that some in the attack force where used to.

This was quite the same situation that Napoleon had at Waterloo - he won the field against the English - but the Rhine froze over and a Prussian force decided that biggest battle of that time. At Austerliz Napoleon won the same battle - so war is often decided by chance.


Nevertheless - Burn Huola was the biggest fun I had in Eve since the Bos campaign.

I would engage in an offensive like this any time again - I burned some 4 bil in about 100 hours fighting and made 400-500 kms.

Exact numbers are hard to tell.

The funny thing - even in a game like EVE "history" is distorted and bent, so any historian has a hell of a job even to get a glimpse about what happend.


As I posted before: 07 to all who fought in the burn huola campaign!

This is how EVE faction war should be!!!

Zen - that is military history.

England refered to Napoleon simply as "the monster" in the times of the napoleonic wars. That was propaganda. Napoleon may threw europe into an unequalled war at his time - but he also was the man that broke many ppl form the old yokes. German law to this day has many remnants of napoleonic laws, called "code civil".

I know you are german - the Unternehmen Barbarossa took place and it was the biggest assault in known history.

It failed - barely - I know, in Germany ppl do not talk and think much about recent history (I live in Germany).

In England ppl think otherwise, and military history is part of daily life.

Also nive style to insult me for posting here - I did not create the Amarr as content - blame CCP for that - start thinking.


If you pod someone in EVE you simulate the act of killing - this is a war game, after all.


The huola campaign was content is EVE - in a war game - faction war is a game of war.

If you do not like that - start mining, bro.

Shelling ppl is never humane - does not matter who shelles whom - war is a crime in itself. War is barbaric - at all times.

Neither dropping bombs on ppl is humane - there is no excuse for that.

We here are lucky to wage pixel war - where only pixels die.

Noone of the internet though guys dies here - and I am glad about it.

Today I ratted in a SFI and some pirates dropped 2 cloaky legions, a sin and a sleipnir on me - I had a good laugh - this is a game.

Rommel telegraphed to Montgomery that he would fight him in his best tank with the best tank crew - in his own best tank and his best tank crew - to decide the campaign, but that their respective leadership would not approve.

Wake up, mate.


I am not happy with the Amarr content CCP made. I do not like racism - in any form.


As I started to play I asked the guy that brought me to EVE: "Which race has the weakest ships?"

Back in march 2010 he answered without thinking twice: "Amarr."

So I joined Amarr.

Omg...
Grow up, finish college, get certain level and we may discuss.

A shout out to my bros in the various pirate alliances that either came to Huola or ran large/small scale interference. I owe you the beer and cigs i promised haha. This event started out fun and I did enjoy it. However, there was a point where the Amarr just really rubbed I and others of the Pirate Coalition very very wrong. It wasn't just one thing, but a combination.

In the end, we have more fun with the Minmatar. They chilled out since we've moved in and Huola has become a pretty cool place that let's us do our thing to help newbros and carebears get into lowsec. The way the Amarr conducted themselves led us to believe they'd end the cool little set up we'd made.

We didnt like that.

If you wanna come fight, come fight. Pew pew is always happy fun times.

But don't ever try this bullshit again. Ever.