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I always read how Hi-sec has been buffed.

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Lister Dax
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#61 - 2014-07-28 08:04:14 UTC
Derrick Miles wrote:
As for trolls: don't respond to posts you consider trolling, I believe that's called troll food. If it bothers you flag them as trolling to ISD.


Shocked ISD's would have an incredibly easy time moderating the 6 or so people left then.
Tennej
LoTax POCO Company of HiSEC
#62 - 2014-07-28 08:06:24 UTC
Lister Dax wrote:
Derrick Miles wrote:
As for trolls: don't respond to posts you consider trolling, I believe that's called troll food. If it bothers you flag them as trolling to ISD.


Shocked ISD's would have an incredibly easy time moderating the 6 or so people left then.



lol

You Miners think you have it so damn tough.  When I first started playing we didnt even have mining lasers.  You had to fly close to an asteroid.....pop a hatch and gnaw at it with your teeth.   - Bitter Vet
Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#63 - 2014-07-28 08:12:06 UTC
conclusion: last iterations on hisec had Malcanis' Law aaaaalll over them.P

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Tennej
LoTax POCO Company of HiSEC
#64 - 2014-07-28 08:25:19 UTC
Grimpak wrote:
conclusion: last iterations on hisec had Malcanis' Law aaaaalll over them.P




Not totally sure what this means but I'm assuming its not great. Don't forget comrade I said at the beginning that I was pretending to be a new player in hi-sec. Maybe didn't do a good enough job of pretending. (was getting bored)

You Miners think you have it so damn tough.  When I first started playing we didnt even have mining lasers.  You had to fly close to an asteroid.....pop a hatch and gnaw at it with your teeth.   - Bitter Vet
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#65 - 2014-07-28 08:29:30 UTC
Tennej wrote:
Grimpak wrote:
conclusion: last iterations on hisec had Malcanis' Law aaaaalll over them.P




Not totally sure what this means but I'm assuming its not great. Don't forget comrade I said at the beginning that I was pretending to be a new player in hi-sec. Maybe didn't do a good enough job of pretending. (was getting bored)


No, she editted it to say that after her lies were called out

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

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Adrie Atticus
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#66 - 2014-07-28 08:32:40 UTC
This thread could go to places if the OP could bother to go more than 3 jumps out of Jita to gather evidence.
Tennej
LoTax POCO Company of HiSEC
#67 - 2014-07-28 08:38:40 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Tennej wrote:
Grimpak wrote:
conclusion: last iterations on hisec had Malcanis' Law aaaaalll over them.P




Not totally sure what this means but I'm assuming its not great. Don't forget comrade I said at the beginning that I was pretending to be a new player in hi-sec. Maybe didn't do a good enough job of pretending. (was getting bored)


No, she editted it to say that after her lies were called out



Dude I made you look like a complete ass and you still won't let it go. Trust me when I tell you that it won't be the last time. You are entirely too quick to pull the trigger. So is that other one too but he is more careful with his words where as you aren't.


However I will say this..... Everybody in this thread seems to know or at least are aware of your damage so you are pretty much ignored.


I tell people that want to explain to me how great their new diet is just to eat their lettuce and be sad.

You need to just be sad.

You Miners think you have it so damn tough.  When I first started playing we didnt even have mining lasers.  You had to fly close to an asteroid.....pop a hatch and gnaw at it with your teeth.   - Bitter Vet
Tennej
LoTax POCO Company of HiSEC
#68 - 2014-07-28 08:39:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Tennej
Adrie Atticus wrote:
This thread could go to places if the OP could bother to go more than 3 jumps out of Jita to gather evidence.


Amarr in this case but you are right.... Hi-sec is boring tho....didn't feel like jumping all over hell and creation. And if you go back and read it did go places. For me personally I got a lot of good information that is going to pull me out of low for a bit just to test that Info. Especially the piece on Thukker and the new epic arcs got my attention as well.

You Miners think you have it so damn tough.  When I first started playing we didnt even have mining lasers.  You had to fly close to an asteroid.....pop a hatch and gnaw at it with your teeth.   - Bitter Vet
Riyria Twinpeaks
Perkone
Caldari State
#69 - 2014-07-28 08:53:17 UTC
I find interesting that you consider it a nerf that 1/10 complexes need to be scanned down now.
Yet you also consider it a nerf that some mining sites don't need to be scanned down anymore.

Both are income resources I don't have much, if any, experience with.
It seems to me that either making them harder to find is a nerf, or making them easier to find is a nerf, but you chose one for the first, and the other for the second.
Can you explain the difference to me, please?
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#70 - 2014-07-28 08:53:40 UTC
None of the things you listed are nerfs or have anything to do with highsec. Also, the majority of what you listed has nothing to do with new players, so your experiment is pretty much a complete failure.

Now, let's look at the buffs to highsec:
Incursions, new LP stores, numerous security increases including crimewatch 2, mining and ice changes, mission ship buffs, multiple industry ship buffs, the mission agent revamp, pretty much every last detail of Crius, the spread of POCOs, just off the top of my head.

Tennej wrote:
Dude I made you look like a complete ass and you still won't let it go.
Where did you do that? All I see is you being made to look very ignorant on point after point since you get even very basic things wrong in your “experiment”.
Goldiiee
Bureau of Astronomical Anomalies
#71 - 2014-07-28 08:55:44 UTC
Arkady Romanov wrote:
POS standings requirement dropped, industry slots dropped (no more conjestion), POCOs can now be player owned.

So every Tom, **** and Harry can drop a POS and compete with you now, without having to pay your dues through the never ending mission grind. Not really a Buff

Unlimited Industry slots adds to the competition, not to mention the fees increased, unless you move then the cost increases, yeah not really a buff if you spent the first few years paying dues and setting it up to work like a clock. So not really a Buff either.

POCO's? many now owned buy Nul-sec alliances, others owned by groups that only wanted to extort ISK from PI, try to take one down it fun, a couple hours later you then get to have a competition of who can click the fastest in a race to anchor a new one, if you don't win do it again and if you do win they take yours down, yes finally we have nerfed the last bastion of semi-passive ISK.

Things that keep me up at night;  Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state, Once you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another.
Delt0r Garsk
Shits N Giggles
#72 - 2014-07-28 08:57:18 UTC
Preventing the OP from stealing from a another highsec bear is not a nurf. Its a buff. They want to do their own looting and salvage.

AKA the scientist.

Death and Glory!

Well fun is also good.
Tennej
LoTax POCO Company of HiSEC
#73 - 2014-07-28 08:57:30 UTC
Riyria Twinpeaks wrote:
I find interesting that you consider it a nerf that 1/10 complexes need to be scanned down now.
Yet you also consider it a nerf that some mining sites don't need to be scanned down anymore.

Both are income resources I don't have much, if any, experience with.
It seems to me that either making them harder to find is a nerf, or making them easier to find is a nerf, but you chose one for the first, and the other for the second.
Can you explain the difference to me, please?


Well the 1/10s were static and so easy to farm if you didn't have competition and the best part is they were constantly restting. The anoms on the other hand are gone too fast and do NOT replenish. (which is why I liked them better hidden since a lot of the newer players would get too frustrated to learn scanning as it used to be.)

Hopefully that answers your question.

You Miners think you have it so damn tough.  When I first started playing we didnt even have mining lasers.  You had to fly close to an asteroid.....pop a hatch and gnaw at it with your teeth.   - Bitter Vet
Tennej
LoTax POCO Company of HiSEC
#74 - 2014-07-28 09:00:19 UTC
Delt0r Garsk wrote:
Preventing the OP from stealing from a another highsec bear is not a nurf. Its a buff. They want to do their own looting and salvage.



Well I've been on both parts of the equation. As long as a ninja doesn't loot the boxes...the mechanic at the time said he was good to go about his business of salvaging. Now the AI doesn't care if the ninja just salvages.... it still goes after him/her.

Did I like a ninja in my 4's taking what I feel is mine? Not so much but it was the game mechanic.

You Miners think you have it so damn tough.  When I first started playing we didnt even have mining lasers.  You had to fly close to an asteroid.....pop a hatch and gnaw at it with your teeth.   - Bitter Vet
Tennej
LoTax POCO Company of HiSEC
#75 - 2014-07-28 09:02:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Tennej
Tippia wrote:
None of the things you listed are nerfs or have anything to do with highsec. Also, the majority of what you listed has nothing to do with new players, so your experiment is pretty much a complete failure.

Now, let's look at the buffs to highsec:
Incursions, new LP stores, numerous security increases including crimewatch 2, mining and ice changes, mission ship buffs, multiple industry ship buffs, the mission agent revamp, pretty much every last detail of Crius, the spread of POCOs, just off the top of my head.

Tennej wrote:
Dude I made you look like a complete ass and you still won't let it go.
Where did you do that? All I see is you being made to look very ignorant on point after point since you get even very basic things wrong in your “experiment”.




Somebody needs to either stop posting with alts or go back and read the entire thread.


Your opinion...just because its yours.... doesn't make mine a failure when so much good information has been distributed throughout this thread.

You Miners think you have it so damn tough.  When I first started playing we didnt even have mining lasers.  You had to fly close to an asteroid.....pop a hatch and gnaw at it with your teeth.   - Bitter Vet
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#76 - 2014-07-28 09:04:27 UTC
Delt0r Garsk wrote:
Preventing the OP from stealing from a another highsec bear is not a nurf. Its a buff. They want to do their own looting and salvage.


Reading that was the part where it was obvious the OP is trolling.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#77 - 2014-07-28 09:05:37 UTC
Goldiiee wrote:
So every Tom, **** and Harry can drop a POS and compete with you now, without having to pay your dues through the never ending mission grind.
Very obvious buff, since it makes it easier than ever to make money and removes tedious gameplay.

Quote:
Unlimited Industry slots adds to the competition, not to mention the fees increased, unless you move then the cost increases,
Very obvious buff, since it makes it easier than ever to make money and removes tedious gameplay.

Quote:
POCO's? many now owned buy Nul-sec alliances, others owned by groups that only wanted to extort ISK from PI, try to take one down it fun, a couple hours later you then get to have a competition of who can click the fastest in a race to anchor a new one, if you don't win do it again and if you do win they take yours down, yes finally we have nerfed the last bastion of semi-passive ISK.
…and at the end of the day, it makes it easier than ever to make money and adds non-tedious gameplay, so it's a very obvious buff.

Tennej wrote:
Somebody needs to either stop posting with alts or go back and read the entire thread.
Someone need to get a proper argument when they can't respond.

Your experiment was a failure due to the many errors, misunderstandings, and inaccuracies you chose to include. This is not a matter of opinion but of facts — specifically, your ignorance of them.
Tennej
LoTax POCO Company of HiSEC
#78 - 2014-07-28 09:06:13 UTC
Goldiiee wrote:
Arkady Romanov wrote:
POS standings requirement dropped, industry slots dropped (no more conjestion), POCOs can now be player owned.

So every Tom, **** and Harry can drop a POS and compete with you now, without having to pay your dues through the never ending mission grind. Not really a Buff

Unlimited Industry slots adds to the competition, not to mention the fees increased, unless you move then the cost increases, yeah not really a buff if you spent the first few years paying dues and setting it up to work like a clock. So not really a Buff either.

POCO's? many now owned buy Nul-sec alliances, others owned by groups that only wanted to extort ISK from PI, try to take one down it fun, a couple hours later you then get to have a competition of who can click the fastest in a race to anchor a new one, if you don't win do it again and if you do win they take yours down, yes finally we have nerfed the last bastion of semi-passive ISK.



I haven't played with the new industry stuff yet, I'm planning to based on the information in this thread. I will form my own opinion as to buff or nerf but thanks for the perspective of the flipside of this "buff"

You Miners think you have it so damn tough.  When I first started playing we didnt even have mining lasers.  You had to fly close to an asteroid.....pop a hatch and gnaw at it with your teeth.   - Bitter Vet
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#79 - 2014-07-28 09:07:18 UTC
Tennej wrote:

Somebody needs to either stop posting with alts

Yes you do need to stop, Salvos.

Tennej wrote:
good information has been distributed throughout this thread.

Just no.

Stop for the love of god stop.

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Tennej
LoTax POCO Company of HiSEC
#80 - 2014-07-28 09:08:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Tennej
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Tennej wrote:

Somebody needs to either stop posting with alts

Yes you do need to stop, Salvos.

Tennej wrote:
good information has been distributed throughout this thread.

Just no.

Stop for the love of god stop.



wut you on about now?

Oh I get it.... this is your personal forum and nobody has permission to have an opinion that isn't yours......


Look master.... you said you reported me for trolling and called me a liar..... if that is indeed the case...I will be banned.... If I'm still here posting within the next couple weeks then....you lied and didn't report me or you lied about me being a liar.


Give it a damn rest.

Here is an idea.... post a buff to hi-sec so that it can be supported or not. Otherwise please for the love of whatever god you believe in......STFU.

You Miners think you have it so damn tough.  When I first started playing we didnt even have mining lasers.  You had to fly close to an asteroid.....pop a hatch and gnaw at it with your teeth.   - Bitter Vet